Who to Re-list?
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Sicks Bux
Hal 2003-2019
Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Me Island Ome
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Who are our untouchables?
Who should we re-sign?
Who should we lock away with contract extensions?
David wrote: | Here's the current contract situations (always a crucial factor in this stuff, of course):
Currently out of contract:
Anton Tohill
Atu Bosenavulagi
Ben Reid (retired)
Brody Mihocek
Darcy Moore
Flynn Appleby
Jack Madgen
Jordan De Goey
Jordan Roughead
Josh Daicos
Levi Greenwood
Lynden Dunn
Mark Keane
Mason Cox
Matthew Scharenberg
Max Lynch
Rupert Wills
Tim Broomhead
Travis Varcoe
In contract:
Adam Treloar (2021)
Brayden Maynard (2022)
Brayden Sier (2021)
Brodie Grundy (2027)
Callum Brown (2022)
Chris Mayne (2021)
Darcy Cameron (2021)
Dayne Beams (2022)
Isaac Quaynor (2022)
Jack Crisp (2023)
Jaidyn Stephenson (2021)
Jamie Elliott (2021)
Jay Rantall (2021)
Jeremy Howe (2021)
John Noble (2021)
Josh Thomas (2021)
Nathan Murphy (2022)
Scott Pendlebury (2021)
Steele Sidebottom (2021)
Taylor Adams (2024)
Tom Langdon (2021)
Tom Phillips (2021)
Tom Wilson (2021)
Trent Bianco (2021)
Trey Ruscoe (2021)
Tyler Brown (2022)
Will Hoskin-Elliott (2022)
Will Kelly (2022) |
_________________ The beatings will continue until moral improves. |
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PyreneesPie
PyreneesPie
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Presti35
Dick Lee for Legend Status
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I'm no contract or salary cap expert, and there's still a lot to happen re; list size, but from the players listed as out of contract;
To Re-Sign
Brody Mihocek
Darcy Moore
Jack Madgen
Jordan De Goey
Jordan Roughead Already Re-Signed
Josh Daicos
Mason Cox Has Been Extended
To Retire
Ben Reid already has
Lynden Dunn
Likely To Be De-Listed/Traded
Matthew Scharenberg
Max Lynch
Rupert Wills
Tim Broomhead
Flynn Appleby
Keep one of:
Anton Tohill
Atu Bosenavulagi
Mark Keane
Keep one of:
Travis Varcoe
Levi Greenwood
That's a lot of players off the list, more if you include Beams and possibly Mayne and Langdon.
Is ten or more changes too much? Does that give us room to target a decent free agent or trade target? _________________ A Goal Saved Is 2 Goals Earned! |
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Piesnchess
piesnchess
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I think Varcoe will retire too. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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Haff
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From memory we dumped 10 players post the 2010 granny? _________________ The match day thread is for unfiltered BS knee jerk reactions. The time for level headed comment comes after. |
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warburton lad
Joined: 26 Aug 2003
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An interesting conundrum. Every club must strike a balance between hanging onto players too long and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We must retain the likes of Sidey, Howe, Pendles, Crisp, Grundy (our senior core) plus the 'next level' players (our next 'veterans, as it were), plus a steady supply of younger ones to carry on.
The AFL, in my view, has let down a lot of the clubs by not being transparent about the final list numbers permissible for 2021. Once this is known, we will have a better idea of how many will go.
I think the club will have a fair idea of 'retirees' about now (Reid, Dunn, Langdon, Beams and so on)
There will be players who we have had a good look at that may be deemed to have reached their ceiling and can be let go (Appleby, Broomhead, Wills, Lynch, )
Trade bait, some for third or fourth round picks only (Thomas, Scharenberg, ).
Some contracted players might be on the trade table: (Sier/Hoskin-Elliott/Phillips/Mayne).
A hard call needs to be made- one of Varcoe or Greenwood will possibly be let go (my preference would be Greenwood as our best 'tagger' to be retained, although I think that Varcoe would be a good winger if Phillips were traded.)
If the club is keen on Gunston, they must chase him- hard. However, we cant lose a Daicos, Moore , Mihocek or De Goey in the process.
So many variables in the mix of list management and so much calamity if you get it wrong. Without dredging up the Beams fiasco once more, trading for an ageing player and then giving him a four year deal with minimal return on investment, has proved very harmful for our prospects of getting others (say a Lynch or a Jeremy Cameron).
Lets hope we 'get it right'. For those who are moved on or retire, lets acknowledge the fact that they have given of their best for the Black and White and wish them well in their futures- however that looks.
Floreat Pica everyone. _________________ Firm in the belief that number 17 flag is only months away... |
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npalm
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^^^ Yet another set of 'quality observations' from WL.
I think the key factor influencing all list decisions over the coming weeks is whether the club believes that we are a realistic chance of winning the flag next year. If they do, then they'll limit the number of changes and just search for some quick fixes (like Gunston).
Personally, I don't think we can win the flag next year. With Pendles aging and Sidebottom taggable, we no longer have a premiership standard midfield. And there doesn't appear to be any developing young talent on the list to replace these two.
Similarly, there is a distinct lack of talent in the forward line.
These problems can't be fixed in a single trade\draft period. I hope the hard heads at the club rule the day and insist on the tough decisions on delistings and retirements. _________________ Side by side. |
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23 YIPPEE!!!
YIPPEE 23!!!
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Not 2021 but be better placed in 2022 as we will have a new coach and its no longer the pathetic buckley coaching them. |
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Sicks Bux
Hal 2003-2019
Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Me Island Ome
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Untouchables: Pendlebury, Moore, JDG, Howe, Adams, Maynard, Grundy, Crisp.
Re-sign: Madgen, Daicos, Moore, JDG, Mihocek.
Extend: Maynard. _________________ The beatings will continue until moral improves. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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npalm wrote: | Yet another set of 'quality observations' from WL |
I cannot remember a “bad” post from WL. He is always spot on and his observations are astute and informative. Excellent poster. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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Sicks Bux wrote: | Untouchables: Pendlebury, Moore, JDG, Howe, Adams, Maynard, Grundy, Crisp. |
Sidebottom? Roughhead? Daicos? The two Browns? _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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Sicks Bux
Hal 2003-2019
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^Agree. _________________ The beatings will continue until moral improves. |
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Sicks Bux
Hal 2003-2019
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Lazza wrote: | Sicks Bux wrote: | Untouchables: Pendlebury, Moore, JDG, Howe, Adams, Maynard, Grundy, Crisp. |
Sidebottom? Roughhead? Daicos? The two Browns? |
There's a limit to players who can be considered untouchable IMO. But yeah, Daicos could be added to the list. I'm indifferent about the rest although Roughie is an important structural pillar. _________________ The beatings will continue until moral improves. |
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glasseyevfx
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Just want to mention that a couple of years ago Max Lynch did well in the 2km time trial. I think that's fairly special for a big guy. He also seems more aggressive at the ball than most.
Just want to say I'm not wanting to give up on him. I think he still has plenty of upside as a 22 - 23 yo _________________ We shall set our course by the stars and not ships that pass in the night |
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The Average Tourist
Joined: 08 Apr 2010
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Presti35 wrote: | I'm no contract or salary cap expert, and there's still a lot to happen re; list size, but from the players listed as out of contract;
To Re-Sign
Brody Mihocek
Darcy Moore
Jack Madgen
Jordan De Goey
Jordan Roughead Already Re-Signed
Josh Daicos
Mason Cox Has Been Extended
To Retire
Ben Reid already has
Lynden Dunn
Likely To Be De-Listed/Traded
Matthew Scharenberg
Max Lynch
Rupert Wills
Tim Broomhead
Flynn Appleby
Keep one of:
Anton Tohill
Atu Bosenavulagi
Mark Keane
Keep one of:
Travis Varcoe
Levi Greenwood
That's a lot of players off the list, more if you include Beams and possibly Mayne and Langdon.
Is ten or more changes too much? Does that give us room to target a decent free agent or trade target? |
It sounds like the list size will be 40 plus 2 rookies or 38 plus 4 rookies but no idea on International and CatB etc but we need to draft (or upgrade a minimum of 3)
It appears that we will have
Retirees: Reid, Dunne (Rookie), Varcoe, Langdon (unfortunately) and Beams
Players who have been around Scharenberg, Lynch, Wills, Broomie, Apples, Atu, (I think keep Lynch & Apples the others well its time but Apples was a Rookie? then maybe Atu but after the draft) but its time Sorry Broomie
Tohill, Keane and Wilson not sure what happens to list add ons but Keane deserves more than 1 game and is the closest Tohill & Wilson I think are a long way off but really needed the VFL this year as did Rantall, Bianco and Atu
Then we have Sier, Phillips, Murphy, Thomas some might add Mayne but I think he already has another year locked in. I think Sier & Murphy stay. Phillips has been as timid as Stevo without any of the issues.
So I reckon 6 spots and 2 rookies.
Checkers gets upgraded we have Reef under NGA and I hope we get a pick before we have to take him.
Mayne & Greenwood go around again probably only 1 more for both,
Cameron is contracted for 2 more??? _________________ Bucks you just reckon he can still cut it in the middle |
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