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Pied Piper
Joined: 20 May 2003 Location: Pig City
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^ Agreed - although didn't you swear off bagging players shortly after you joined on the off chance they might read the dreadful things written about them on forums like this? _________________ "The greatest thing that could happen to the nation is when we get rid of all the media. Then we could live in peace and tranquillity, and no one would know anything." - Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen |
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jack_spain
Joined: 03 May 2008
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^ Ah PP.
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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A little more of Chopper in Josh wouldn't go astray.
It makes me wonder why people highlight the handful of great games Josh plays every year but over look the majority of games where he's only serviceable. Heaven forbid we should expect more from a No.1 draft pick who's been at the club 9 years now, great players play consistently good football most weeks of the year not the 6 or 7 games Josh does.How much longer do we have wait until Josh becomes the player we'd all hoped for?
We will never win another premiership if people accept that players only have to show up and play to the level there capable of 6 or 7 times a season.
I hope Josh has a brillant season next year, but I've hoped for that before, so I wont be holding my breath. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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Pied Piper
Joined: 20 May 2003 Location: Pig City
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^^ Fair point, but you can't say he didn't play well when it mattered.
I think being injury-free helps. _________________ "The greatest thing that could happen to the nation is when we get rid of all the media. Then we could live in peace and tranquillity, and no one would know anything." - Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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From what I've seen of Josh over the years, his "flat spots" during the season have nothing to do with lack of effort or passion. Much more to do with his body struggling to hold up over the journey. Sure, he's not quite delivered the way we'd hope a number 1 pick would, but it's time to let that one go, it has been 9 years. What he has done, is admirably hold down our number 1 ruck spot with little support, from the age of 17, young for any position, doubly so for a ruckman. It's quite possible that this has had a negative affect on his development, particularly physically.
It may seem I'm making excuses here, but in Josh, I see a decent person, who has given his all for the club (understand others may see this differently), which is nigh on the only prerequisite for my support. I see those who "jump off" or on an obviously committed player who is not performing at their absolute peak, as no different to those despised fair weather supporters. Support the club through difficult times, support players through the same, though Josh's performances have been better than some on this board would admit.
This is not quite blind support for all players, under all conditions. Brendon Fevola is a player/person who I don't have a lot of respect for, and I'd not support a Collingwood Fevola all that fulsomely, even on his good days.
We have the club selectors to decide who plays and who does not, we have opposition supporters to bag our players, the role of the Collingwood supporters is to support, except on the rare occasion where deemed undeserved (poor form and performance not enough of a reason for mine). Josh is a player and person, who from my admittedly limited perspective is deserving of respect as a player or even person and most definitely my support. |
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rocketronnie
Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Location: Reservoir
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AN_Inkling wrote: | From what I've seen of Josh over the years, his "flat spots" during the season have nothing to do with lack of effort or passion. Much more to do with his body struggling to hold up over the journey. Sure, he's not quite delivered the way we'd hope a number 1 pick would, but it's time to let that one go, it has been 9 years. What he has done, is admirably hold down our number 1 ruck spot with little support, from the age of 17, young for any position, doubly so for a ruckman. It's quite possible that this has had a negative affect on his development, particularly physically.
It may seem I'm making excuses here, but in Josh, I see a decent person, who has given his all for the club (understand others may see this differently), which is nigh on the only prerequisite for my support. I see those who "jump off" or on an obviously committed player who is not performing at their absolute peak, as no different to those despised fair weather supporters. Support the club through difficult times, support players through the same, though Josh's performances have been better than some on this board would admit.
This is not quite blind support for all players, under all conditions. Brendon Fevola is a player/person who I don't have a lot of respect for, and I'd not support a Collingwood Fevola all that fulsomely, even on his good days.
We have the club selectors to decide who plays and who does not, we have opposition supporters to bag our players, the role of the Collingwood supporters is to support, except on the rare occasion where deemed undeserved (poor form and performance not enough of a reason for mine). Josh is a player and person, who from my admittedly limited perspective is deserving of respect as a player or even person and most definitely my support. |
Very well put. Some posters need to look at the player's situation objectively instead of grinding the same old axe. _________________ "Only the weak believe that what they do in battle is who they are as men" - Thomas Marshall - "Ironclad". |
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rocketronnie
Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Location: Reservoir
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jack_spain wrote: | rocketronnie wrote: | arrgh its a pity The Weed is so old eh Jack? |
Ah if only we could have bottled whatever spirit it was he played with mate. Or Darren Millane. |
Weidemann had more than enough of the spirits out of the bottle when he was coach.
Top player, drunken **** up as coach.
Give me Malthouse any day. _________________ "Only the weak believe that what they do in battle is who they are as men" - Thomas Marshall - "Ironclad". |
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3rd degree
Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Location: John Wren's tote
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I cant help it sorry! _________________ " Ohhh Banksy and out comes the Note Book".
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kambarker
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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3rd degree wrote: | I cant help it sorry! |
Is it a SLOW day?? _________________ kam |
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jack_spain
Joined: 03 May 2008
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Have to laugh at the title of this thread. The fact it's been going for nearly four years is even more incredible.
I wish Josh Fraser would do his block a few times in 2009. |
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burnsy17
Joined: 10 Aug 2003
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I recon its about time Fraser started a brawl or something... he's just too placid on the field and it annoys the crap out of me!!! _________________ Beware the swooping Magpie. |
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3rd degree
Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Location: John Wren's tote
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Lets get Josh to incite a melee this year against the scum. I know barristers who will work pro bono. _________________ " Ohhh Banksy and out comes the Note Book".
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JacJacJacqui
Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Location: B-town represent
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Josh, violent? For real?? I've honestly never noticed. Violent is probably one of the last words I'd have used to describe him. _________________
Pirate skulls and bones
Sticks and stones and weed and bombs
Running when we hit 'em
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The Machine
Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Location: Mooroolbark
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JacJacJacqui
Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Location: B-town represent
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Yeah it's a question. I read it and answered it. _________________
Pirate skulls and bones
Sticks and stones and weed and bombs
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