Trade Targets ~ Free Agency & MSD player movements

[LaurieHolden]

^so that's it? No objectivity to the post or would removing a player like Maynard send the wrong message to the group or shake the DNA of the Club and what it stands for?
Does loyalty to a player outweigh wanting to obtain a Key Position player or group to build a list to win for a decade?
Is Maynard so critical to our requirements he's untouchable? Will you then give him 4 more years at $750k because he's a favourite son?
Or do you wait until Maynard is 30 and then decide he's superfluous to our future and retain him on $600-$750k per year?
Will he be a key cog in our efforts to secure top 4 berths through to 2030?

Pose this, you're list manager. The managers of Logan MacDonald, Jed Walter or Max King suggest they are gettable. They want a 1st round pick and a player. Maynard has been put forward. You decline because of emotion of letting one player go.
The howls of posters on match day if we are losing and jump to grind any of our players into the dirt seems to suggest no-one is sacred. This is what irks me with the match day numpties, criticism without a solution is akin to throwing rocks at your own window.

[Take_a_Screamer]

We are in the premiership window. Maynard has been a successful member of our backline for a few years. The players know each other well and the team are a close knit group. I would not underestimate this in bringing home the big prize should it be this year and/or the next.

Looking ahead to the next couple of years I would rate stability over disruption for some future plan (unless we go South and start losing a lot of games). I think loyalty to a player and team unity does count heaps. This is what Fly's message is. Maybe talk of Bailey coming to join Collingwood will be more of a negative if the deal involves "panic buying". Winning the next flag very soon must take priority over eagerly topping up on expensive players. We did this already to some extent with Schultz (and lost Ginnivan).

IMHO, Even tough the business side of team management is important, we must not deviate from our paradigm, "side by side".

[Pies2016]

I get where Laurie is coming from when he raises Maynard as a trade option because you gotta give up quality to receive quality in return. You release a position that’s deemed as surplus to your needs in order to fill a void elsewhere. Personally, I wouldn’t like to see Maynard traded because he’s part of our leadership group and that’s soon to become less with pending retirements. He, like Murphy, drive uncompromising on field standards. You need players who attack the ball ferociously and embarrass their teammates into doing nothing less.
We also don’t need to only consider out of contract players in this exercise. Any player can be traded at any time as long as all three parties agree ( parent club, destination club and player concerned )
You could POTENTIALLY trade out the likes of any 2 / 3 player combination of Johnson, McCreery (?) Noble, Harrison, Markov etc ( examples only ) and then bundle up their modest trade returns for something more significant. These “ on the fringe “ players are often willing to play elsewhere because they can see themselves as part of another clubs best 22 every week. Ultimately our own depth would suffer but you base these decisions on being honest about where the club lies in terms of the old premiership clock analogy.
While there are a lot of ways to skin a cat, there is also no such thing as a free lunch. Such is the balancing act of an AFL list manager.

[Pies2016]

I think we can safely say the Nathan Murphy retirement will now have Collingwood prioritising a key defender over a key forward in the short term at least. We have a competent key forward who hasn’t played this season, so I don’t see the club picking up another one as either an MSD or free agent selection this year.
Murphy’s retirement and the pending retirement of Howe will shift the focus to filling those defensive voids with a key back who can at least cut it as an AFL defender. The good news is it’s easier to find a key defender over a key forward but the bad news is they still don’t grow on trees.
Eyre may yet be alright in time but it won’t be this year. Similar situation with Dean. Personally, I would like to see Krueger trialled at C H B the moment he returns to play his usual two consecutive games in the VFL before injuring himself again.
The key defensive stocks are very thin right now but there’s at least some comfort in knowing McStay upon his return, is well up to AFL standard.
Even having said all that, there’s also no point in the club choosing a key defender just for the sake of it if they don’t believe he’s got considerable upside in him ( a minor detail that seems to get lost on a lot of supporters )
The upcoming MSD is going to be a tough call for the club and it only gets tougher if we keep winning because our first pick drifts out further with every win.
So does the club go with the next best player available, who would likely be a medium height type or do they roll the dice on the next best key defender in the country in the knowledge he may very well not cut it at the highest level.
Dare I say it, in Hine we trust ( some more so than others )

[The Black and White Lion]

After the pies resurgence and destruction of Port yesterday, we’ve gone from wrecks to wonders in the space of 6 weeks. Back to 3-3 and seemingly yesterday, we had no weaknesses on the ground. Partner the first 20mins, everyone contributed and pretty much everything worked. Our defence worked. Our mids worked and won the contested ball, our wings and half’s connected and we didn’t long bomb to congestion every time. If we keep that up over the next month it will be hard to identify a discrete weakness other than age or injury.

Reckon we could take a medium forward or another big body mid in the MSD, Hutchison or Long if they’re available has already been widely broadcast in the media. Hope fully either of them are still there and will be happy with either.

Cox turned things around 180 yesterday and was great to see. Not sure on our back up ruck option if he or Cameron go down or if Cox’s form drops off again. Frampton has to be a lock down back now.

So a mature ruck who can ruck fwd and mark is my third choice for the MSD. Teakle could yet be our MSD selection. He showed enough to me in the preseason to show he could play a back up role.

[Alex]

Yeah we need to go tall. We have enough depth in our smalls: Macrae, Markov, Harrison, Richards, Sullivan, Bytel, and more.

Probably a Key Defender more likely, our depth there is Dean and Eyre, who are both injury prone. McInnes, Ash, and Kreuger is probably viable depth. Is Begg good enough to play if an injury occurs to Darc or Mason? Preferably want someone that can improve enough to take Cox's spot within the next 18 months.

[WhyPhilWhy?]

I wonder how Reef would go in either the Murphy or Howe role?

The latter arrived with a forward role in mind.

[piedys]

[stui magpie]

[Pies2016]

^^^
Interestingly enough, I heard Hine say at the time Allan was drafted, they felt Allan also had the attributes for a tall defender ( not necessarily a key defender I would guess )
That’s the beauty of young hybrid players, they have the physical gifts to be considered for multiple roles. Conversely, you can also end up being a jack of all trades and master of none.
We need to remember Allan is still only 20 and Reef has only recently turned 21. It takes time to grow into 194cm bodies. Nathan Murphy and plenty of others can all vouch for that.

[warburton lad]

This lad has signed on for our VFL program.

At 205cms, he would be a project player, but would be nice to have on the list..

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/boston-dowling/

Boston Dowling
State: Victoria Country
State League Club: Oakleigh Chargers
Community Club: Old Trinity Grammarians
Date of Birth: 08/04/05
Height: 204cm

Mobile ruckman/forward who is still honing his craft playing eleven matches for the Chargers this year averaging 11 disposals, two marks and 13.5 hitouts but it was for the AGS in its annual representative game against the APS that he gave a glimpse of his obvious potential having 17 disposals, 29 hitouts and seven clearances. Recorded an 84cm running vertical jump and 3.16 seconds for the 20m sprint at the state Draft Combine which were good results for a player of his size.

[Charlie Oneeye]

Jordan Sweet age 26, 206cm, Bulldogs traded to Port for pick 50.
Jeez, there is a lesson to be learned here. (buy cheap, buy twice if you're lucky)

Reef to me looks a natural forward, like Checkers, I think he loves a goal.
However, I watched him play in the backline (not KP) for Oakleigh, and he looked good there too. Rowell and Anderson apparently kept him out of the middle, so it seems he could play on every line.

If he and Ed Allan come good, two good-sized, skilled players for the future who should find their place on a line.

We have ground cover for a few years imo.

Let's buy a KP or two.

[qldmagpie67]

[qldmagpie67]

Listening to Clarkson north are still going to invest heavily into the draft for the foreseeable future
So if we believe we need a true KFF is Larkey gettable ?
He’s a noted goal kicker even with his limited opportunities he gets

[mattdally]

I'd love Larkey but didn't he just sign a long term deal with the Roos?