The gender pay gap

[stui magpie]

FWIW this is the government department who collects the data, analyses it and publishes it.

https://www.wgea.gov.au/

I've had a read through their methodology and apparently they annualise the salaries of part time and casual staff up to the full time equivalent so they are somewhat comparing apples with apples.

In some ways it's mildly interesting data but certainly nothing to huff and puff about as a huge problem that needs to be fixed urgently.

I looked up a couple of previous employers and read their employer statements, nothing surprising. Standard thing that seems to tip the balance is the representation in senior or higher paid roles.

[What'sinaname]

Annualized is just converting part time to full time. It ignores difference in role, experience, actual hours worked.

[What'sinaname]

Did they have the Australian Open where woman get paid more then men on an effort adjusted basis?

[pietillidie]

^Read the document, FFS. They're simply encouraging like-for-like comparison within industries, knowing there are differentials. The idea is to bring down unwarranted historical pay gaps where possible within a range simply through transparency and awareness. Basic, uncontroversial and behaviourally intelligent (i.e., encouraging behavioural shift through the awareness and the natural social pressure that accompanies such awareness).

This data then gives industry groups and firms the opportunity to put smarter strategies in place over time. Most biases are sub-conscious, and most sane people are willing to adjust of their own accord when the data is brought to their intention, particularly when recruitment and staff shortfalls are so costly. Moreover, employment markets are undergoing considerable change, so more data is needed to help firms adjust.

Honestly, use your own brain, which for some reason you're determined to undercut by filling your head with other people's Facebook dumbness when you're miles smarter than that.

As an aside, it is very clear to me as someone who has worked closely with hundreds of high performers that many people are unaware they're victims of the grim ideas and attitudes around them. Sometimes, those ideas and attitudes are in their immediate environments or inherited from them (family, social groups, cultures), while at other times they're internal (immature reactions to duress; untreated maladies including anxiety and depression; anger; etc.). This causes people to undermine their own abilities by falling into destructive sub-cultures (religion, internet groups, ideological hysterias, etc.) that only drag them down.

I was one of them.

[What'sinaname]

Tell me 10 companies that pay woman less than men for doing an identical job?

[pietillidie]

^Your very question shows you don't understand the problem. By your reckoning, if 10% of CEOs are women, and those 10% earn much the same as men in the same role, there's no problem. But of course, that problem is only reflected in aggregate earnings comparisons, which you in turn dismiss on the basis that women work in lower-paid roles. Serious research just isn't that painfully dumb and circular.

This is standard, respectable adult understanding, not some drooling far-left conspiracy:

[Bucks5]

There are 2 explanations for the differences.

One is the number of men vs women in senior higher paying roles. The other is overtime and penalties, a women working part time usually misses out on both. At my workplace you do not get time and a half or double time until you have worked 38 hours for the week. As a result the part timers do not bother working OT.

[What'sinaname]

[Culprit]

The pay gap is real and in saying that if I negotiate a better pay deal with my employer than my female co-worker who does the same job, should they get a pay rise as well?

[David]

[pietillidie]

^Whatsinaname is still even wrong on the terminology, let alone the concept and its history. As I say, this is just more internet global warming deniers wasting everyone's time because they can.

[stui magpie]