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What'sinaname
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Labor failed to sell a minor change to super, and yet we are expected to trust Labor to give us the detail of the Voice after we vote for it.
What a joke. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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Latest Newspoll on the Voice referendum.
Yes = 53% (-3 from last month)
No = 38% (+1 from last month)
Undecided = 9% (+2 from last month) _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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stui magpie
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Albo is making a mess of this. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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My read, admittedly from a distance, is that this is less a case of Albo specifically being incompetent than a case of an entire political class having forgotten how to do basic politics.
The approach at the moment seems to be to lob out a policy proposal as if it were a grenade and then immediately duck for cover. So I have a growing suspicion that they never even had the first clue how to get anything like this done. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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What'sinaname
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No, Albo knows that virtue signalling works. The substance behind it is irrelevant. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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stui magpie
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I don't think it's incompetence, Albo actually seems somewhat competent.
It's like he's hesitant to proactively support the idea he put on the agenda, why I don't know.
he's thrown out a (well crafted) thought bubble, said we'll go to a referendum, then has put a pillowcase over his head and gone Nah Nah Nah Nah, allowing naysayers to fill the vacuum he's created.
he needs to explain more detail of the proposal, soon, before people turn away.
I get the concept, make a First Nations Voice to Parliament a part of the constitution.
The form of what that looks like to be decided (and changed by) Parliament initially and from time to time as required.
The important thing is that it's to be a consultative committee (Labor love them), not a ruling body, but some ideas about how the members are selected, how many there are, how long do they stay there, do they get paid, etc.
Some of these things might be up for Parliament to decide but FFS, sell it. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully
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What'sinaname wrote: | Labor failed to sell a minor change to super, and yet we are expected to trust Labor to give us the detail of the Voice after we vote for it.
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The premise is wrong and so too is the conclusion. The polls show that the Super proposed changes are overwhelmingly popular. By continuing to rely on the Murdoch press you’re backing Morrison to win the last Federal election and Daniel Andrews to lose the last State election. How did that pan out?
Murdoch press & their followers are the joke. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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stui magpie
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I assume you don't read the Murdoch Press, so how do you know what's in it? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie
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stui magpie
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-s-voice-announcement-explained-20230323-p5cumy.html
So, we have the final wording of the question, detail on the proposed amendments to the constitution and clarity on how the voice would work and how members would be selected.
Good stuff, Albo has finally extracted his thumb from his butt, there should seem to be little genuine reasons to vote No.
Now it's a matter of selling this and countering the inevitable fake news scare campain on social media. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie wrote: | ^
I assume you don't read the Murdoch Press, so how do you know what's in it? |
Like I said above the premise is wrong so too is the conclusion.
I wash regularly especially after reading the Murdoch press; I still feel unclean. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie wrote: | https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-s-voice-announcement-explained-20230323-p5cumy.html
So, we have the final wording of the question, detail on the proposed amendments to the constitution and clarity on how the voice would work and how members would be selected.
Good stuff, Albo has finally extracted his thumb from his butt, there should seem to be little genuine reasons to vote No.
Now it's a matter of selling this and countering the inevitable fake news scare campain on social media. |
Yep 👍 _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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David
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Agreed – it's a yes vote from me. I understand some Indigenous activists and others on the left will be opposed, but I don't see the point of making the perfect the enemy of the good here. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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stui magpie
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Those arguing for a Treaty first should surely be able to see that getting The Voice established first is the most meaningful way of doing it. That would enable the voices of indigenous people chosen by indigenous people to frame the content rather than a few self appointed activists. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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nomadjack
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stui magpie wrote: | Those arguing for a Treaty first should surely be able to see that getting The Voice established first is the most meaningful way of doing it. That would enable the voices of indigenous people chosen by indigenous people to frame the content rather than a few self appointed activists. |
That's generally my take, but there is also a very real risk (I'd actually say a probability) that it will mean a treaty gets put on the backburner. in that sense, I understand why there is significant opposition in parts of the Indigenous community. |
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