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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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<split from the "Coronavirus II: The Virus Strikes Back" thread. Thanks, David for BBMods.>
watt price tully wrote: | This is the article in the Monthly. I'm not too sure if it's all that left but it's certainly not extreme right wing like say almost all of the the Murdoch press or 9 Media.
Quite a thoughtful essay:
"...In the face of the pandemic, Scott Morrison has failed to adjust his thinking, and wants to return to the way things used to be.."
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2020/september/1598882400/sean-kelly/snapback#mtr |
It's a thoughtful essay I can't read without giving them my email address, which they're nor getting. So lets test your little claim about political leanings here https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
The Herald Sun is rated Right Centre
Quote: | RIGHT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. |
So, to the Herald Sun:
Quote: | Overall, we rate The Herald-Sun Right-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the right. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to questionable positions regarding the consensus of science. |
Channel 9?
Quote: | Factual Reporting: HIGH
Notes: Nine News is the national news service of the Nine Network in Australia. 9 News leans slightly right in reporting bias and tends to favor conservative candidates. Their news is typically well sourced and factual. |
Just for comparison, lets look at The Guardian.
Quote: | Overall, we rate The Guardian Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last 5 years. |
So not only are the Herald Sun and 9 News NOT anywhere near extreme right wing, they are both more trusted to provide factual news than The Guardian _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Jezza
2023 PREMIERS!
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All correct Stui, but "MUH MURDOCH PRESS".
Murdoch lives rent free in leftist brains. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie wrote: | watt price tully wrote: | This is the article in the Monthly. I'm not too sure if it's all that left but it's certainly not extreme right wing like say almost all of the the Murdoch press or 9 Media.
Quite a thoughtful essay:
"...In the face of the pandemic, Scott Morrison has failed to adjust his thinking, and wants to return to the way things used to be.."
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2020/september/1598882400/sean-kelly/snapback#mtr |
It's a thoughtful essay I can't read without giving them my email address, which they're nor getting. So lets test your little claim about political leanings here https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
The Herald Sun is rated Right Centre
Quote: | RIGHT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. |
So, to the Herald Sun:
Quote: | Overall, we rate The Herald-Sun Right-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the right. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to questionable positions regarding the consensus of science. |
Channel 9?
Quote: | Factual Reporting: HIGH
Notes: Nine News is the national news service of the Nine Network in Australia. 9 News leans slightly right in reporting bias and tends to favor conservative candidates. Their news is typically well sourced and factual. |
Just for comparison, lets look at The Guardian.
Quote: | Overall, we rate The Guardian Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last 5 years. |
So not only are the Herald Sun and 9 News NOT anywhere near extreme right wing, they are both more trusted to provide factual news than The Guardian |
Dear me. Stui, do u check ur sources? Fact check the alleged fact checker. The first paragraph in wiki says: media bias fact check is amateur. Later it says it’s methodology is wholly unscientific. Who’d a thunk.
Needs more work.
Please resubmit.
Now 9 news & Murdoch have become so far right wing they make channel 7 seem balanced. No wait that was going to far: they’re just as bad. Goodness gracious me. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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watt price tully
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Jezza wrote: | All correct Stui, but "MUH MURDOCH PRESS".
Murdoch lives rent free in leftist brains. |
Jezza, the last Prime Minister of Australia a Liberal thinks Murdoch is an all too powerful right winger. Just saying.... _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
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This coming from a poster who was telling us all how great a certain Age journalist is and speaks the truth in his defence of Andrews
That’s Jon Faine, Victorian Government employee...
Interestingly enough he also in the same article says businesses will go under, but they do every year so it’s not a problem...? |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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watt price tully wrote: |
Dear me. Stui, do u check ur sources? Fact check the alleged fact checker. The first paragraph in wiki says: media bias fact check is amateur. Later it says it’s methodology is wholly unscientific. Who’d a thunk.
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And Wiki is totally professional.
Here's their methodology which they agree on their site is not scientific, but they use the same method on each so it is at least an objective unbiased assessment, unlike yours.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/
BTW, I don't think I've ever watched 9 News. If you think it's so biased why do you watch it? If you don't watch it, how can you say it's biased? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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So, a bloke sets himself up as a "media bias analyst" and in 2015 starts a website - next thing, everyone is referring to the site as if it has some verifiable authenticity or merit.
I'm not interested in the underlying discussion about whether this is Andrews' fault or Morrison's (the debate is arid because the issues are, with respect, somewhat more complex than that) - but that, right there, is the whole problem with the internet.
One problem with analyses of purported "media bias" is that they tend to rely heavily upon an assumption that there is some necessary thing called "being even-handed". That is, of course, a complete fallacy - some political positions are fundamentally stupid and do not warrant air-time. So, eg, just because some liar in a public office wants to label Biden as a "socialist" doesn't make that a topic worthy of "even-handed" pubic debate. No matter how often it is said, it remains risible. Any media oganisation that deals with such a proposition in an allegedly "even-handed" way is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
It is precisely that sort of analysis that has led to the resurgence of right-nutter views in mainstream politics. If the media did the right thing and just ignored the idiots - instead of "reporting" what they say and then getting 30 seconds from each "side" as to why a risible proposition is stupid/is the basis for a new world order, we'd all be better off. |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie wrote: | watt price tully wrote: |
Dear me. Stui, do u check ur sources? Fact check the alleged fact checker. The first paragraph in wiki says: media bias fact check is amateur. Later it says it’s methodology is wholly unscientific. Who’d a thunk.
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And Wiki is totally professional.
Here's their methodology which they agree on their site is not scientific, but they use the same method on each so it is at least an objective unbiased assessment, unlike yours.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/
BTW, I don't think I've ever watched 9 News. If you think it's so biased why do you watch it? If you don't watch it, how can you say it's biased? |
Get with the times Stui: 9 media owns 3AW, The Age etc (the age has for years become right wing) etc. They hosted a notorious fund raiser for the Liberal Party last year 🙄 & it took some effort to publicly admit their wrongdoing. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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OK, so the Age has become right wing and you don't watch 9 News but it must be extreme right because. Your logic is impeccable.
If those delusions keep you warm at night, I'm happy for you, I've no interest in continuing a pointless argument. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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I'll go in to bat for mediabiasfactcheck here – I've been happy to use it before, and I think it's a good basic resource, mostly, though I'd stop short of calling it an authoritative one.
I suspect, in this case, that some of The Guardian's (genuine) sloppiness is being overstated and some of The Herald Sun's understated, and that this might be a result of an international perspective (where The Guardian has a much higher profile and its errors are likely to be amplified). Otherwise, I feel the assessment of bias is fair in each case.
Once we acknowledge these sites' limitations (and clearly this one is a small-time project), they serve an important purpose in this age of fake news and media echo chambers – and it's somewhat inevitable that fact-checkers will make mistakes or fall foul of their own biases. I think mbfc probably could do with either more contributors or maybe more of a willingness to accept when they don't have enough data to fairly assess a publication, particularly an international one (on the ABC News page, for instance, they seem to be using a few cherry-picked op-ed headlines as evidence of publication bias, which seems an elementary mistake). One of Wikipedia's strengths is that there's a large and vibrant editorial community there to keep the site honest, which is adept at noticing errors and oversights and flagging pages that seem like they need more work.
On the broader topic, here's a good piece on some of the pitfalls of fact-checkers:
https://newrepublic.com/article/156039/political-fact-checkers-distort-truth _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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watt price tully
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Thanks for that David. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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watt price tully
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eddiesmith wrote: | This coming from a poster who was telling us all how great a certain Age journalist is and speaks the truth in his defence of Andrews
That’s Jon Faine, Victorian Government employee...
Interestingly enough he also in the same article says businesses will go under, but they do every year so it’s not a problem...? |
Sorry, has Jon Faine got a new job since he retired from the ABC? (You said a Victorian Government employee) ?
With respect to his comments about businesses going under you’ve distorted what he said. He never said it’s not a problem, no one has said that or would believe that unless they’ve trying for some cheap opportunism. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Location: Lexus Centre
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watt price tully wrote: | eddiesmith wrote: | This coming from a poster who was telling us all how great a certain Age journalist is and speaks the truth in his defence of Andrews
That’s Jon Faine, Victorian Government employee...
Interestingly enough he also in the same article says businesses will go under, but they do every year so it’s not a problem...? |
Sorry, has Jon Faine got a new job since he retired from the ABC? (You said a Victorian Government employee) ?
With respect to his comments about businesses going under you’ve distorted what he said. He never said it’s not a problem, no one has said that or would believe that unless they’ve trying for some cheap opportunism. |
Yes, running the Governments media campaigns so therefore any article he writes defending Dan should really have a disclaimer down the bottom:
“Paid for by the Andrews Government” |
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watt price tully
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eddiesmith wrote: | watt price tully wrote: | eddiesmith wrote: | This coming from a poster who was telling us all how great a certain Age journalist is and speaks the truth in his defence of Andrews
That’s Jon Faine, Victorian Government employee...
Interestingly enough he also in the same article says businesses will go under, but they do every year so it’s not a problem...? |
Sorry, has Jon Faine got a new job since he retired from the ABC? (You said a Victorian Government employee) ?
With respect to his comments about businesses going under you’ve distorted what he said. He never said it’s not a problem, no one has said that or would believe that unless they’ve trying for some cheap opportunism. |
Yes, running the Governments media campaigns so therefore any article he writes defending Dan should really have a disclaimer down the bottom:
“Paid for by the Andrews Government” |
Sorry Eddie, it's not that I don't trust you but would you be so kind as to provide the link to show that Jon Faine is running the Andrews Government media campaign. I just can't seem to find it.
Cheers _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
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Was on your favourite Sky News, but there was also mention by Dan thanking him for coming up with the most recent campaign they ran |
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