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watt price tully
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Now we have it: the real reason why Boris Johnston won the election:
https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/r1ffsEXlI _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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roar
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Starkey's a sharp guy, no doubt, but his "Rule Brittania" views are too much to sit through to get the interesting bits. _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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pietillidie
Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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The Labour Party in the UK are taking the piss again. Have a listen to this cringeworthy lot:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/long-bailey-we-must-become-salespeople-for-socialism
What is it with the left of the party embracing the term 'socialism' as if the word has any chance of being reclaimed and capturing the contemporary imagination? Sanders is making the same mistake with his use of the phrase 'democratic socialism' in the US. Is it that hard for them to come up with a new term that leaves the Cold War behind? The fact they make such a point of this leads me to wonder if we're dealing with a stubborn cluelessness, not merely a bad sense of PR. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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I think you’re mistaken on this, PTID – socialism may have once been a dirty word in Anglo politics, but that is rapidly changing. Not only do many under-40 voters not see it as a boogeyman, they are veritably flocking to its banner.
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/socialism-booming-popularity-among-young-people-survey-finds/11655582
Of course we can debate what does or doesn’t actually constitute socialism (and I know some on the far left think that Sanders and other social democrats have corrupted the term), but I think it’s a highly effective label that signals that something is fundamentally wrong with the way capitalist society is structured, and that what is being offered is not business-as-usual technocratic liberal-managerial politics. I certainly don’t think it’s hurt Sanders’ cause at all, and I suspect that he would be a far less popular candidate if he were saying the same things without his outsider, revolutionary branding. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Yeah nah, somewhere between David and Ptiddy.
The reason Sanders uses the term Socialism is simple, better to claim it than be labelled it.
Trying to avoid being termed socialist would just result in others picking at his policies, calling them socialist and forcing him to defend his labeling.
Adding in "Democratic" is a pisser though, as it's clearly meant to imply that Bernies version of Socialism is democratic, unlike all those other versions in places like, ummmmm, The Democratic People's Republic of Korea. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Someone needs to send Van Helsing down to the Knesset ASAP. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Pies4shaw
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Netanyahu doesn’t have a majority. Israel faces weeks of uncertainty at best and a fourth election at worst. In the meantime, Netanyahu may find it difficult to get to all the political appointments he’d like to keep, because his fraud trial starts in about 9 days. |
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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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roar
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^^ That's great news. _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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David
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^ I was too pissed off to post about that. #&€% Starmer and all his Blairite cronies. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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David
I dare you to try
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Pretty dark stuff, that's for sure. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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