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Skids
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Disguised as refugees and able to cross borders without being identified: ISIS general who blew up a hostage with a rocket and decapitated another prisoner is 'back in Europe with 400 soldiers' after fleeing Syria
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/isis/index.html _________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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Pies4shaw
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The encryption seems to have failed - or are you corresponding from Bletchley? |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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I have never heard about The encryption seems to failed - or are you corresponding from Bletchley . |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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Jezza
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Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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It's sad I've become desensitised to hearing about these violent terror attacks. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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Mugwump
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^ I think that is part of the strategy here, Jezza. If we can grow desensitized to this, we can grow desensitised to simpler outrages against our values and decencies. Break down order and values, and create the sense that these things are semi-normal and to be implicitly accepted and tolerated, and you create the conditions for revolutionary change. It's the only route these people have to power. It has worked for them in the ME, and over time, it may well work here too. One has only to listen to the ebbing tide of useless and irresolute emoting that accompanies each outrage. People don't even bother to colour their Facebook page with the Turkish flag, nowadays.
That said, Turkey is a unique country in its exposure to IS and to Syria, and what happens there has a rather different set of roots to the outrages that happen in Western Europe. The same broad forces are probably at work, but the context is important.
In other interesting and reputably-sourced news, police in Koln arrested 92 people on NYE around the station. 16 were German. There is either a lot of prejudice involved, or the integration project has a long way to go. Germany used to be a very well-functioning society based on respect for rules, law and order. Oh well. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Pies4shaw
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And then the Allied Forces liberated the German people. |
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Mugwump
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Pies4shaw wrote: | And then the Allied Forces liberated the German people. |
Not many people have noticed the close similarities between the orderly, well-managed and civil society of Germany post 1950 and Nazism. Perhaps you have to live far enough away from Koln station to spot it. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Pies4shaw
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Apart from a more tolerant attitude to foreign refugees in modern times, what differences do you see between Germany in 1950 and Germany today? Or did you mean that Germany is now disorderly, less-well-mannered or uncivil for some reason other than that it tolerates refugees? Perhaps when you referred to the "integration project" you had something else in mind? |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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What's your favourite part of Germany? |
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Mugwump
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Apart from a more tolerant attitude to foreign refugees in modern times, what differences do you see between Germany in 1950 and Germany today? Or did you mean that Germany is now disorderly, less-well-mannered or uncivil for some reason other than that it tolerates refugees? Perhaps when you referred to the "integration project" you had something else in mind? |
You read the numbers quoted. Perhaps you could address the point, rather than implying that I have Nazi sympathies. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Pies4shaw
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HAL wrote: | What's your favourite part of Germany? |
Poland |
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Pies4shaw
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Mugwump wrote: | Pies4shaw wrote: | Apart from a more tolerant attitude to foreign refugees in modern times, what differences do you see between Germany in 1950 and Germany today? Or did you mean that Germany is now disorderly, less-well-mannered or uncivil for some reason other than that it tolerates refugees? Perhaps when you referred to the "integration project" you had something else in mind? |
You read the numbers quoted. Perhaps you could address the point, rather than implying that I have Nazi sympathies. |
What point did you think you were making? |
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