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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Post subject: Pro and Con's of 2014 Trade Week | |
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Getting Crisp Feels a Need we have Lacked and that is a Tall Midfielder as we have to many of those 180cm guys and Crisp is 190cm so that helps us. Also has good Speed as well
Getting Greenwood help us with the loss of Beams. Gives us a Real Hard Body in the Midfield and is a Real Hard Nut
Varcoe pretty much replaces Lumumba and Not have the Off-Field Problems. Has speed and kicking skills we need
Getting Pick 5 which Means that Hine has a go at the top of the Draft with us also getting Moore
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Crisp and Greenwood are not very good Kicks and that is something we need improving. Though Crisp is improving his Kicking
Losing Beams realy sucks as is impossible in a Trade. Tried hard but just can't
Would of Liked to Improve Pick 30 but did not _________________ I am Da Man |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Yep, that covers it quite succinctly without we shoulda, coulda...
Sums it up well DTM.
Imagine if Crisp fills out & kicks better & throw in Marsh - looking forward that makes us very fast & strong in terms of leg speed. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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Albert Parker
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Not a bad summation Dave.
I'm less convinced of the merits of Varcoe as a replacement for Lumumba though. Think we got stitched up in that trade, but hope I am wrong. _________________ One team, one dream - the Pies and this year's premiership |
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stoliboy
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Sydney, NSW
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COLLINGWOOD PASS
IN: Levi Greenwood, Travis Varcoe, Jack Crisp
OUT: Dayne Beams, Heritier Lumumba
DRAFT PICKS: 5, 9 (Darcy Moore), 30, 48, 85, 103, 121
VERDICT: Far from ideal. Any trade period where you lose your second-best player and dont get a like-for-like sets the Pies back. But they made the best of a bad situation, playing hard ball to effectively get pick 5, Levi Greenwood and Jack Crisp. Travis Varcoe addresses the pace concerns, and while Heritier Lumumba was done, he did finish fourth in the B&F, with departing Dayne Beams third. Now need the kids Ben Kennedy, Tim Broomhead, Brodie Grundy to come through if they are to play finals next year.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl-trade-2014-report-card-who-were-the-winners-and-losers-in-the-trade-and-free-agency-period/story-fnaqgujp-1227092874309 _________________ Sydney Collingwood Supporters Club
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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the kpi will be the number of heart in mouth moments we experience with varcoe. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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stoliboy wrote: | COLLINGWOOD PASS
IN: Levi Greenwood, Travis Varcoe, Jack Crisp
OUT: Dayne Beams, Heritier Lumumba
DRAFT PICKS: 5, 9 (Darcy Moore), 30, 48, 85, 103, 121
VERDICT: Far from ideal. Any trade period where you lose your second-best player and dont get a like-for-like sets the Pies back. But they made the best of a bad situation, playing hard ball to effectively get pick 5, Levi Greenwood and Jack Crisp. Travis Varcoe addresses the pace concerns, and while Heritier Lumumba was done, he did finish fourth in the B&F, with departing Dayne Beams third. Now need the kids Ben Kennedy, Tim Broomhead, Brodie Grundy to come through if they are to play finals next year.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl-trade-2014-report-card-who-were-the-winners-and-losers-in-the-trade-and-free-agency-period/story-fnaqgujp-1227092874309 |
i have read two other reports where one said we were clear winners whilst the other gave us a d minus. i thought we were closer to c+ given beams tied both wrists to one of our ankles. we didn't have pick 5 at the start of the trade period. beams is replaceable. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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Damien
Me Noah & Flynn @ the G
Joined: 21 Jan 1999 Location: Croydon Vic
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The guys on AFL.com gave us a B- which is a pretty solid score in anyone's language.
Terry Wallace has been shit canning us on trade radio and SEN. Saying it was some sort of disaster for us. His voice fair dinkum makes my ears bleed. Imagine listening to that all day. Really knows Jack shit about it as far as I'm concerned. Needs another Rod Grinter coat hanger! _________________ 'Collingwood are the Bradmans of Football'
The Herald - 1930 |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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John Wren wrote: | the kpi will be the number of heart in mouth moments we experience with varcoe. |
Could say the samething about Lumumba _________________ I am Da Man |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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Damien wrote: | The guys on AFL.com gave us a B- which is a pretty solid score in anyone's language.
Terry Wallace has been shit canning us on trade radio and SEN. Saying it was some sort of disaster for us. His voice fair dinkum makes my ears bleed. Imagine listening to that all day. Really knows Jack shit about it as far as I'm concerned. Needs another Rod Grinter coat hanger! |
i disagree with your assertion about wallace. i'd take on board his views a lot faster than the vast majority on here. ultimately, it is just one opinion in a sea of opinions. he gave us a d minus which i thought was a touch harsh but i don't think we were a b minus. dwayne russell said we had a stellar trade period. what you think of wallace is how i think of russell.
we were very much hamstrung with what we could get for beams given we only really had one team we could deal with. the giants made a mockery of stating that x player was not for trade. this showed up brisbane but they held their ground. to have considered to have done really well we needed to have secured an aish type. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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Dave The Man wrote: | John Wren wrote: | the kpi will be the number of heart in mouth moments we experience with varcoe. |
Could say the samething about Lumumba |
that's my point dave. if we don't have so many of those moments i will consider it a win. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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Tannin
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Post subject: Re: Pro and Con's of 2014 Trade Week | |
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Dave The Man wrote: | Crisp Feels a Need |
As do we all, from time to time. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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John Wren wrote: |
we were very much hamstrung with what we could get for beams given we only really had one team we could deal with. the giants made a mockery of stating that x player was not for trade. this showed up brisbane but they held their ground. to have considered to have done really well we needed to have secured an aish type. |
Agree with Beams only wanting to go to Lions and not even let us talk to the Suns made the Job even harder _________________ I am Da Man |
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melliot
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Location: Bendigo
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Our immediate list holes in my mind are:
1. 2nd key forward. Didn't get one. Looks like we're going back to see if Reid and White can do it. Or play two rucks.
2. Small forward. Varcoe may fill this need a little but my understanding is he is recruited to play wing. So we didn't get one. Not that there was much about.
3. Additional depth in the midfield. We got Greenwood. Reported he can't hit a barn with his kicking. So that's a concern. But he and Crisp do add depth. So a tick. But I'm not excited nor disappointed. Underwhelming I guess.
4.Lock down and Running small defenders. Not sure it's a huge need as we have plenty of young guys coming through. But an experienced player in our back 6 is really needed. And we didn't get one.
Personally i would have rathered we kept at least one of our mid 20 picks for the Draft.
But overall I feel we fell further back in the pack for next year. Didn't get a star, just some good-ordinary players. We are really hanging hopes on our existing youth to come through.
And of course pick 5, with Moore, really will be the measure of our success this trade period. You would hope we gain two A graders there which formulate key players for a premiership. In 3-6 years. |
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DT
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John Wren wrote: | Damien wrote: | The guys on AFL.com gave us a B- which is a pretty solid score in anyone's language.
Terry Wallace has been shit canning us on trade radio and SEN. Saying it was some sort of disaster for us. His voice fair dinkum makes my ears bleed. Imagine listening to that all day. Really knows Jack shit about it as far as I'm concerned. Needs another Rod Grinter coat hanger! |
i disagree with your assertion about wallace. i'd take on board his views a lot faster than the vast majority on here. ultimately, it is just one opinion in a sea of opinions. he gave us a d minus which i thought was a touch harsh but i don't think we were a b minus. dwayne russell said we had a stellar trade period. what you think of wallace is how i think of russell.
we were very much hamstrung with what we could get for beams given we only really had one team we could deal with. the giants made a mockery of stating that x player was not for trade. this showed up brisbane but they held their ground. to have considered to have done really well we needed to have secured an aish type. |
Agree. Wallace is not bad a judge but Dwayne Russell is unlistenable _________________ Daicos, impossible angle ... Goal! |
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Tannin
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melliot wrote: | an experienced player in our back 6 is really needed |
Would you feel better if I promised you, hand on heart, that the total experience in our back half would improve rapidly in 2015? Trust me on this: every single week, even if we go in with youngsters like Frost, Keefe, Williams, Langdon, Seedsman and Sinclair, our total back half experience will increase by an amazing six games in every single round of 2015. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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