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Pies4shaw 

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:03 am
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714 hitouts in 20 games in 2017 and probably between 2 and 4 years away from playing at his full potential. My guess is that Grundy might be allowed to continue to play as our ruckman.
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BucksIsFutureCoach 



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:35 am
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Totally against Grundy ruck roving to Cox in the centre square. The two will only get in the way of each other. Grundy has the engine to ruck 90% of game time. Buckley likes to play two ruckmen so fair enough, but we could get away with a Richmond and play Grundy as the sole ruckman and use Crisp to take the taps when Grundy is resting. Cox could therefore be used as our sole tall forward and we could build a forward line of mediums (De Goey and Stephenson) and smalls (Kirby, Daicos, Elliot and Fasolo) around Cox. Play Reid as a swing man between CHB and CHF depending on his availability and play Moore on the wing.

The game moves on so we need to be creative in the way we structure the team if we're going to go forward and put ourselves in the position to contest finals. The trouble with people is assuming everything is static and nothing changes, so our best 22 in 2018 was our best 22 in 2017 and Cox was slow and lumbering in 2017 so he won't be any good in 2018. It all starts in the preseason and depending how hard and dedicated players train in this preseason, will determine which players break through for games in 2018 and what game plan instilled by the coaching staff for 2018 will suit the players who present themselves in our best 22 for 2018. That will determine if the team is going anywhere in 2018 and has little to do with how individuals see themselves in the team.
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Magpietothemax 



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:38 pm
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BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
Totally against Grundy ruck roving to Cox in the centre square. The two will only get in the way of each other. Grundy has the engine to ruck 90% of game time. Buckley likes to play two ruckmen so fair enough, but we could get away with a Richmond and play Grundy as the sole ruckman and use Crisp to take the taps when Grundy is resting. Cox could therefore be used as our sole tall forward and we could build a forward line of mediums (De Goey and Stephenson) and smalls (Kirby, Daicos, Elliot and Fasolo) around Cox. Play Reid as a swing man between CHB and CHF depending on his availability and play Moore on the wing.

The game moves on so we need to be creative in the way we structure the team if we're going to go forward and put ourselves in the position to contest finals. The trouble with people is assuming everything is static and nothing changes, so our best 22 in 2018 was our best 22 in 2017 and Cox was slow and lumbering in 2017 so he won't be any good in 2018. It all starts in the preseason and depending how hard and dedicated players train in this preseason, will determine which players break through for games in 2018 and what game plan instilled by the coaching staff for 2018 will suit the players who present themselves in our best 22 for 2018. That will determine if the team is going anywhere in 2018 and has little to do with how individuals see themselves in the team.

This is a fantastic analysis. It gives a perfect summary of the modern game. Everything and anything is possible. It is not so much individual stars, but how how a star team is fashioned through the optimum combination of players. I agree that Grundy roving off Cox would be a horrible deployment. I also agree that with our current list, there are a multiplicity of possible dynamic combinations, depending almost entirely on the development of our players. Our coaches will need to have vision, and inspiration, to anticipate and bring to fruition, the potential that is there.
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Magpietothemax 



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:38 pm
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Sorry, double post.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:38 pm
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Magpietothemax wrote:
BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
Totally against Grundy ruck roving to Cox in the centre square. The two will only get in the way of each other. Grundy has the engine to ruck 90% of game time. Buckley likes to play two ruckmen so fair enough, but we could get away with a Richmond and play Grundy as the sole ruckman and use Crisp to take the taps when Grundy is resting. Cox could therefore be used as our sole tall forward and we could build a forward line of mediums (De Goey and Stephenson) and smalls (Kirby, Daicos, Elliot and Fasolo) around Cox. Play Reid as a swing man between CHB and CHF depending on his availability and play Moore on the wing.

The game moves on so we need to be creative in the way we structure the team if we're going to go forward and put ourselves in the position to contest finals. The trouble with people is assuming everything is static and nothing changes, so our best 22 in 2018 was our best 22 in 2017 and Cox was slow and lumbering in 2017 so he won't be any good in 2018. It all starts in the preseason and depending how hard and dedicated players train in this preseason, will determine which players break through for games in 2018 and what game plan instilled by the coaching staff for 2018 will suit the players who present themselves in our best 22 for 2018. That will determine if the team is going anywhere in 2018 and has little to do with how individuals see themselves in the team.

This is a fantastic analysis. It gives a perfect summary of the modern game. Everything and anything is possible. It is not so much individual stars, but how how a star team is fashioned through the optimum combination of players. I agree that Grundy roving off Cox would be a horrible deployment. I also agree that with our current list, there are a multiplicity of possible dynamic combinations, depending almost entirely on the development of our players. Our coaches will need to have vision, and inspiration, to anticipate and bring to fruition, the potential that is there.


everything and anything is possible ..... except adopting a highly successful strategy of having 2 bigs in the center square at the same time ...... Grundy is a dominant ruck everywhere EXCEPT in the center square against the very tall ruckman.

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Magpietothemax 



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:33 pm
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E wrote:

everything and anything is possible ..... except adopting a highly successful strategy of having 2 bigs in the center square at the same time ...... Grundy is a dominant ruck everywhere EXCEPT in the center square against the very tall ruckman.

Yep, I stand corrected. Anything and everything is possible, and who am I to say so imperiously that Grundy and Cox in the centre square could not work under no circumstances? That is yet another permutation. Our coaches have a massive task this preseason to unravel the real possibilities from the fantastical.
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RudeBoy 



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:57 pm
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Clearly, Grundy is, and will remain, our main ruckman. However, as his over head marking continues to improve, he demonstrated, even late this season, that he can become a powerful weapon as a resting forward. As all the training reports, especially the valuable insights from Warburton Lad, suggest that Mason Cox is continuing to improve, both physically and in terms of skills/smarts, I firmly believe that these two behemoths are on the cusp of dominating the competition. If this eventuates, there is no ceiling on what our team can achieve in 2018. The sky is the limit. Go Pies!
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