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BazBoy 



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:31 am
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Think there was a post on this --well if I am right Kevin White ,an Irishman
is the man
Previous he was our sports scientist

Was on AFL --your clubs 2018 start

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watt price tully Scorpio



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:42 am
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BazBoy wrote:
Think there was a post on this --well if I am right Kevin White ,an Irishman
is the man
Previous he was our sports scientist

Was on AFL --your clubs 2018 start


Yes indeedy, a very simple check would have got you there Wink

26 October 2017:

http://nick.magpies.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=83179&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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BazBoy 



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:45 am
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I "simply" did not look but found what I wanted
All good for me

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BazBoy 



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:07 am
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Hope he is the right man
To be sure
To be jolly well certain

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 pm
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I'm not sure whether Kevin White having been a Buttifant boy is a good thing or a bad thing... Do we need outside voices in the fitness department, as we definitely do in the coaching department? (Of course, Kevin has also presumably been influenced by Davoren, but given that we got rid of Davoren...)

Here's Kevin from 5 years ago (starts at around 1:18 ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu307yECMS8
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K 



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:31 pm
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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2017-11-08/outlining-our-preseason-program

Quote:
“All of the players had conditioning programs in the off-season, but probably haven’t had a high level of kicking. That’s why you see the footy’s out on day one.”
...

“The new direction I’d like to see us go will be to move into the footy stuff as soon as possible,” White explained.

“I’ve worked closely with the coaches skill acquisition coach Jamie Cassidy-McNamara to design drills which are football-related, but won’t see too high intensity or a high change in direction early in the pre-season. We’ll gradually build up.”
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“Rather than having two running groups which is split up into talls and smalls, we’ll aim to have something like eight different running groups, in which we will drill down very individually what is required,” White said.

“An inside mid is so much different to a wing, which is so much different again to a key forward or key back. For that reason, we won’t train them in the same way.

“We’re trying to create competition amongst the players who are going for similar spots in similar divisions, rather than having us barking orders and using time trials to bring the best out of them.

“They’ll drive each to really high standards.”


Haven't we heard that (more footy-focused) before?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:56 pm
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Running games out was not the biggest problem 2017 but more our ability
to achieve and maintain consistent concentration on decisions and ball use

And Kevin has said this part of prep has taken precedence over running and stuff

Get them kicking and skilling up till it's executed without hesitating

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SonofRowdy 



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:50 pm
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Agree Bazboy, priorities:-

1. Goal Kicking
2. Goal Kicking
3. Goal Kicking
4. Kicking and hitting a leading target (need to minimise kicking backwards)
5. Kicking on opposite foot to a leading target

Would add another skill which needs improvement - our handballing. Too often under pressure Big Grundy and even Broomhead just forward tumble the ball instead of putting a backwards spin on it. Its good for them as they get a handball stat but often the receiver is in trouble as the ball is dipping to the ground as it gets to them. End result the receiver is under just as much pressure as they were when they handballed.

Nothing like the summer months to work on these areas for improvement... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:00 pm
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Better now to correct inefficient part of our game than in the heat of battle

Goal kicking and alertness to other options than your own

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:21 pm
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But I recall that sort of thing being said a few years ago, which raises questions... e.g. did they not do what they claimed at the time? Or not enough? Or is this all just talk?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:01 am
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learning to dispose of the ball effectively while fatigued is the secret to success. running without practicing football skills while fatigued is a waste of an opportunity.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:53 am
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And correct when tired you your decision making suffers

Not as easy as I put down here but the reason why Boyd and Maxwell carved out an AFL career was dertermination under duress

Get a bit of that going be good

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:17 am
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I know it's boring, but the only way of reducing errors in actual games of footy, is by repetitive drills in training. The second thing which comes from the senior coach, is to create new drills at training to liven things up, so players don't lose interest.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:55 am
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E wrote:
learning to dispose of the ball effectively while fatigued is the secret to success. running without practicing football skills while fatigued is a waste of an opportunity.


100 percent. Which is why we need to recruit more footballers less track stars. Most footballers can improve fitness (picture big Sav or Cloke puffing their guts out after 1 burst, but lasting the whole game, or Swannie with his 10 min bursts that catapulted him to superstardom) but not all trackstars can be taught to kick or handpass!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:06 am
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think positive wrote:
E wrote:
learning to dispose of the ball effectively while fatigued is the secret to success. running without practicing football skills while fatigued is a waste of an opportunity.


100 percent. Which is why we need to recruit more footballers less track stars. Most footballers can improve fitness (picture big Sav or Cloke puffing their guts out after 1 burst, but lasting the whole game, or Swannie with his 10 min bursts that catapulted him to superstardom) but not all trackstars can be taught to kick or handpass!


One would think so, but I'd like to see the data on how much aerobic capacity can be improved, compared with kicking skill.

I think Cloke always (until the last couple of years) had a high aerobic capacity for a man of his size.

On footballers vs. track stars, I'd think quite a few of our recruits in recent times count as neither (by elite standards).
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