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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:30 am
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I think it might be a trade secret.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:06 am
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Good parental advice, not just for the kids your talking about
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:32 am
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David wrote:
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So when every American has easy access to guns, and Blacks are more highly represented in crime stats than blacks, any cop pulling up a black person will be on heightened alert. That's not racial profiling, that's preservation instinct kicking in.


It’s both, though. Can’t you see? If you’re a cop and you get nervous and trigger-happy around African-Americans because of reasons x, y or z (no matter how justified they may seem), you are a danger to innocent black men.


Maybe, but if you aren't on heightened alert, you're at increased risk of having yourself shot.

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I agree that crime and poverty are closely related, and that the overrepresentation of African-Americans in crime rates is mostly a reflection of that fact. How does that justify racial profiling and prejudice, particularly when it has lethal consequences? It may explain it, but it certainly doesn’t make it ok.


No, but it is what it is. profiling by race, gender or any other demographic is part of life whether you like it or not. marketing tailor adverts to specific demographics, that's just profiling in another way

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Imagine you’re an African-American for a moment, particularly one who lives in a poor area: not only do you have to put up with the fact that the people around you disproportionately live in poverty and hardship, but, partially as a consequence of that historic inequality and subjugation, the young men in your community run the risk of getting accidentally gunned down by police because of the colour of their skin. Would you be outraged? I know I $£$%^%%$ would be.


and being outraged would likely create a self fulfilling prophesy and get you shot. Mugwumps approach is far more sensible.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:06 am
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Being white and wealthy is certainly the best available response.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:26 am
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If you are stopped by police, then engage with them politely and with respect and cooperation. If they do not do the same to you, then make a complaint later.


Some never get that opportunity, sadly.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:45 am
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Pies4shaw wrote:
Being white and wealthy is certainly the best available response.


Well, basically yes.

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watt price tully wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Being white and wealthy is certainly the best available response.


Well, basically yes.

Works well for me - the police haven't killed me even once.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:56 pm
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Wokko wrote:
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/26/black-suspects-more-likely-to-be-shot-by-black-cop/


Awkward things, facts.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:06 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
watt price tully wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Being white and wealthy is certainly the best available response.


Well, basically yes.

Works well for me - the police haven't killed me even once.


What utter rot.

If I'm a one eyed collingwood supporter then necessarily I will likely miss other ways of seeing collingwood. The same applies with your response here, it's very hard for you to entertain other ways of seeing complex issues than through reductionist lenses. That is a very ideological way of seeing the world.

“White officers are significantly less likely than black officers to kill black suspects and they are not statistically significantly different from Hispanic, other race, and unknown race police officers,” the study said, excepting one model where Hispanic officers were marginally more likely to kill black suspects.

But Ron Hosko, president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, said that data matters when it comes to closely examining the subject.

“I think that more studies like this, as well as the broader data-collection effort that some publications have undertaken, are going to be valuable,” he said. “My fear is that the mainstream media (and nicks nutty leftists) loves to fan the supposition that these killings are by biased, rogue, racist cops.”

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/26/black-suspects-more-likely-to-be-shot-by-black-cop/

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:38 pm
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^ Skids, please learn to quote properly.
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The claim in that article about black cops being more likely than white cops to kill African-Americans is not borne out by available data, by the way:

https://www.snopes.com/black-police-officers-likely-kill-black-people/

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:00 pm
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David wrote:
The claim in that article about black cops being more likely than white cops to kill African-Americans is not borne out by available data, by the way:

https://www.snopes.com/black-police-officers-likely-kill-black-people/


Snopes is trash.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:28 pm
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Such is our post-facts world when a website dedicated to fact-checking is waved away as ‘trash’. This thinking can ultimately only end one way, and that’s Conservapedia and Infowars.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:22 pm
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Wokko wrote:
David wrote:
The claim in that article about black cops being more likely than white cops to kill African-Americans is not borne out by available data, by the way:

https://www.snopes.com/black-police-officers-likely-kill-black-people/


Snopes is trash.


I don’t know Snopes, and it reads tonally like a responsible and fair source, but when you boil that article down, it says that there are lacunae in the data which prevent it being definitely stated that “black officers kill more black suspects, proportionately, than white officers”. However, it seems to admit that the data which is available, ie 33% of fatal shooting cases, does support that statement,and the only reason Snopes regards it as “unproven” is that there is missing data. It is a strange kind of epistemology.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:20 am
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Thank god for dash cams,

http://tribunist.com/news/teens-friends-claim-he-was-executed-by-police-then-the-cops-release-the-dashcam-video/?utm_source=5BR

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