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Albert Parker 



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:09 pm
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^^ ^
i had Fas and Beams in my top 5 GB medal votes.
Surprised anyone from North got recognised.
H was a surprise to me as I did not capture him in my Pies top 5 yet he rated very highly

AFL website has Pendles on 19. Is that incorrect?

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Donny Aries

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:34 pm
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Incorrect. Pendles has a 10, a 9 and a 3.

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Interesting breakdown.

We don't know which coach gave their 5 votes to.

5 & 3 to two of the 8 voters and 4 & 4 to the other.

2 & 1 to Pendles.

2 to Cunnington and 1 to Frosty.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:37 pm
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Albert Parker wrote:
^^ ^
i had Fas and Beams in my top 5 GB medal votes.
Surprised anyone from North got recognised.
H was a surprise to me as I did not capture him in my Pies top 5 yet he rated very highly

AFL website has Pendles on 19. Is that incorrect?


I didn't think Beams was close to top 5. Herry had a ripper.

Originally I did have Fas as our second best, but realised that it was an overestimation. I agree with the coaches, Sidebottom, Cloke, Lumumba and Pendles were all better. Probably Swan too. Wouldn't have had any Roos in the top 5.

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Donny Aries

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:45 pm
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If Beamer wasn't even close to your top 5, meaning he was somewhere around 8th. best or worse, what's he gotta do to get your attention ?

25 disposals, 8 tackles (the most for us), no frees against and 2 goals.

Harry didn't lay a single tackle.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:50 pm
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That is a hypothetical question.
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AN_Inkling 



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:55 pm
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^^Not close was probably overstating it Smile. Would have had him about 7th or 8th. He had quite a good game, but we had a lot of good players. For the record, I'd have had (and note that I weight first half performance greater than second half, given the game was just about decided by then):

1. Sidebottom
2. Lumumba
3. Cloke
4. Pendles
5. Swan
6. Fas
7. Beams

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woftam Gemini

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:12 pm
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Donny wrote:
If Beamer wasn't even close to your top 5, meaning he was somewhere around 8th. best or worse, what's he gotta do to get your attention ?

25 disposals, 8 tackles (the most for us), no frees against and 2 goals.

Harry didn't lay a single tackle.


Ink has never rated Beams anywhere near as high as we do. For no other reason it seems other than he isn't one of his favourites. Ink & I have had many little run ins with regards to this over time.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:16 pm
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AN_Inkling wrote:
^^Not close was probably overstating it Smile. Would have had him about 7th or 8th. He had quite a good game, but we had a lot of good players. For the record, I'd have had (and note that I weight first half performance greater than second half, given the game was just about decided by then):

1. Sidebottom
2. Lumumba
3. Cloke
4. Pendles
5. Swan
6. Fas
7. Beams


i think people get seduced by the numbers from beams. even though he gets the ball i think he butchers it as much as any player we have. i am with you on this ink man.

also, judgement on players should be made when the game is up for grabs and the impact and influence players have at that time.

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woftam wrote:

Ink has never rated Beams anywhere near as high as we do. For no other reason it seems other than he isn't one of his favourites. Ink & I have had many little run ins with regards to this over time.


^^This isn't true. I only didn't rate him early in his career Wink. Now he's definitely a quality player. Saturday wasn't one of his best though, without the goals it would have been a fairly ordinary day in comparison to the rest of the team.

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John Wren wrote:
AN_Inkling wrote:
^^Not close was probably overstating it Smile. Would have had him about 7th or 8th. He had quite a good game, but we had a lot of good players. For the record, I'd have had (and note that I weight first half performance greater than second half, given the game was just about decided by then):

1. Sidebottom
2. Lumumba
3. Cloke
4. Pendles
5. Swan
6. Fas
7. Beams


i think people get seduced by the numbers from beams. even though he gets the ball i think he butchers it as much as any player we have. i am with you on this ink man.

also, judgement on players should be made when the game is up for grabs and the impact and influence players have at that time.


76% efficiency says he did just fine. - 8 tackles also says he worked hard. I don't think he was BOG either but saying he butchers it is a stretch.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:25 pm
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in 2014, ranked 7th in total clangers and 9th in average clangers per game.
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John Wren wrote:
in 2014, ranked 7th in total clangers and 9th in average clangers per game.


Ahhh - So he must be the 7th or perhaps 9th worst player in the league?
Stevie J is #1 - What a hack. Wink Cotchin @ 3 - trade him Wink
Beams last full season he won a Copeland. I think he has some runs on the board JW. I reckon he is a gun.
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AN_Inkling wrote:
woftam wrote:

Ink has never rated Beams anywhere near as high as we do. For no other reason it seems other than he isn't one of his favourites. Ink & I have had many little run ins with regards to this over time.


^^This isn't true. I only didn't rate him early in his career Wink. Now he's definitely a quality player. Saturday wasn't one of his best though, without the goals it would have been a fairly ordinary day in comparison to the rest of the team.


I know Inky - I was kind of having a lend of you. I remember the debate well.
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woftam wrote:
76% efficiency says he did just fine. - 8 tackles also says he worked hard. I don't think he was BOG either but saying he butchers it is a stretch.


Surest of our mid fielders for set shot kicking for goal (one knock i'd have on Pendles), kicking another 2 on the weekend. i think his disposal is generally pretty good and hard fought too. Provides run, does the hard stuff and finishes off when up forward. I rate him very highly.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:38 pm
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When Beams starts kicking multiple goals you know he and the team are playing well.
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