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think positive
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Motherfucker! I never get tired of these movies! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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think positive wrote: | kill me now! |
One of these days we're going to have to trade places for a week, Freaky Friday style, and be forced to watch each other's favourite films! _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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think positive
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David wrote: | think positive wrote: | kill me now! |
One of these days we're going to have to trade places for a week, Freaky Friday style, and be forced to watch each other's favourite films! |
Might be more fun to watch them together and roll our eyes at each other! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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That’s a good idea – we could do a movie night and watch a double bill of Die Hard and Die bitteren Tranen der Petra von Kant. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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think positive
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David wrote: | That’s a good idea – we could do a movie night and watch a double bill of Die Hard and Die bitteren Tranen der Petra von Kant. |
I LOLed!! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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David wrote: | Die bitteren Tranen der Petra von Kant. |
Two women (Hanna Schygulla, Irm Hermann) form a sexual triangle with a fashion designer (Margit Carstensen) in her arty apartment.
Sounds like a German porno. |
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David
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It’s not really – there’s not even any sex scenes or nudity in it, from memory. It’s more of a super-stylised Art Film melodrama about women being horrible to each other.
In all seriousness, it is a great film, and I recommend Fassbinder’s films to anyone who wants to see some really masterful cinema, though Ali: Fear Eats the Soul and Fox and His Friends are probably more accessible places to start.
Speaking of the latter, I’m waiting for Rupert Murdoch to respond to my petition any day now...
https://www.change.org/p/rupert-murdoch-replace-broadcasts-of-fox-friends-with-daily-repeats-of-fassbinder-s-fox-and-his-friends _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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David wrote: | In the last two weeks, I’ve seen:
• the long-suppressed Disney film Song of the South
I can’t say I’m enjoying this lockdown, but I’ve certainly appreciated the opportunity to watch some, er, interesting films. |
David, did you source that via torrent, as I don't think the DVD has been authorised?
I download it a few years ago and have yet to watch it.
Pretty sure Disney wiped their hands of it many years ago, due to racial backlash, and they are hoping it vanishes into obscurity with the passing of generations.
Not unlike George Lucas, with the original 1977 cut of Star Wars. _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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Wokko
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piedys wrote: |
Not unlike George Lucas, with the original 1977 cut of Star Wars. |
You mean George Lucas with the Christmas Special |
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piedys
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Wokko wrote: | piedys wrote: |
Not unlike George Lucas, with the original 1977 cut of Star Wars. |
You mean George Lucas with the Christmas Special |
Oh, so so so bad..... so wrong on so many levels... 1978 TV; blah.
He does demand every copy be tracked down, and smashed with a hammer!
Carrie Fisher singing, coked off her head. Gold. _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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David
to wish impossible things
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piedys wrote: | David wrote: | In the last two weeks, I’ve seen:
• the long-suppressed Disney film Song of the South
I can’t say I’m enjoying this lockdown, but I’ve certainly appreciated the opportunity to watch some, er, interesting films. |
David, did you source that via torrent, as I don't think the DVD has been authorised?
I download it a few years ago and have yet to watch it.
Pretty sure Disney wiped their hands of it many years ago, due to racial backlash, and they are hoping it vanishes into obscurity with the passing of generations.
Not unlike George Lucas, with the original 1977 cut of Star Wars. |
Strangely enough, I actually found a DVD of it for sale at (the now closed-down) Network Video in Sandringham! It’s clearly a bootleg, and the quality isn’t great, but it was such a bizarre thing to find that I had to get it.
I feel like one probably needs to be American to have the context to fully understand why it’s seen as offensive. I do wonder, too, if some of its reputation has been exaggerated over the years by people who haven’t actually seen it, though that’s not to say the criticisms are unfounded – its most obvious problem is that the main adult character, the storyteller Uncle Remus, is playing an "Uncle Tom" / "Magical Negro" archetype, i.e. a friendly supporting black character who doesn’t have any motivation other than helping the white protagonist/s (think Casablanca, Driving Miss Daisy, The Green Mile, The Legend of Bagger Vance, and so on). It’s also set on a southern plantation, ostensibly after the Civil War (though this is ambiguous), so the black workers in the film are seen by many to be portrayed as happy slaves, and Uncle Remus is apparently a bit of an old Southern stereotype (again, I lacked the cultural context to really notice this).
Ultimately, I think the reason that this is pretty much buried while many equally offensive, outdated and tone-deaf films of the time remain in circulation is that Disney is dogged about maintaining its constructed, hypocritical image as the home of problem-free childhood wonder, and this film’s existence is an inconvenience that they’d like everyone to forget about. I also understand the argument that a film for children has a more impressionable audience to consider and that the company has a responsibility to keep it from infecting their minds (!), but I watched this with Ingmar and think it’s highly unlikely – based on what’s actually in the film and the context he’s watching it in – that he’ll derive any subliminal racial prejudices from it. Honestly, I think Disney has propagated many more overtly toxic messages in its films. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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piedys
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David wrote: | piedys wrote: | David wrote: | In the last two weeks, I’ve seen:
• the long-suppressed Disney film Song of the South
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Pretty sure Disney wiped their hands of it many years ago, due to racial backlash, and they are hoping it vanishes into obscurity with the passing of generations. |
I feel like one probably needs to be American to have the context to fully understand why it’s seen as offensive. I do wonder, too, if some of its reputation has been exaggerated over the years by people who haven’t actually seen it, though that’s not to say the criticisms are unfounded – its most obvious problem is that the main adult character, the storyteller Uncle Remus, is playing an "Uncle Tom" / "Magical Negro" archetype, i.e. a friendly supporting black character who doesn’t have any motivation other than helping the white protagonist/s (think Casablanca, Driving Miss Daisy, The Green Mile, The Legend of Bagger Vance, and so on). It’s also set on a southern plantation, ostensibly after the Civil War (though this is ambiguous), so the black workers in the film are seen by many to be portrayed as happy slaves, and Uncle Remus is apparently a bit of an old Southern stereotype (again, I lacked the cultural context to really notice this).
Ultimately, I think the reason that this is pretty much buried while many equally offensive, outdated and tone-deaf films of the time remain in circulation is that Disney is dogged about maintaining its constructed, hypocritical image as the home of problem-free childhood wonder, and this film’s existence is an inconvenience that they’d like everyone to forget about. I also understand the argument that a film for children has a more impressionable audience to consider and that the company has a responsibility to keep it from infecting their minds (!), but I watched this with Ingmar and think it’s highly unlikely – based on what’s actually in the film and the context he’s watching it in – that he’ll derive any subliminal racial prejudices from it. Honestly, I think Disney has propagated many more overtly toxic messages in its films. |
Thanks for the prompt reply there David!
I recall Dad telling me back in the 70s to watch Song of the South the next time it was on TV, to see the then rare interplay between Uncle Remus, and the animated Bre'r Rabbit and friends, singing "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah".
But the thing is... I don't recall it ever being broadcast again, and I was as big a Disney fan as any kid way back then.
Those old films from the 30s and 40s normally screened with a pre-amble from Ivan Hutchinson or Bill Collins [vale these two excellent and most knowledgeable cinemaphiles], and minimal bloody TV adverts interrupting the feature. Ah, good times back in the day....
And i'll try to sneak a look at it this week too....
For anybody else who might have the remotest care-factor for what David and I are banging-on about, url is below:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038969/trivia |
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David
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I don’t think I ever got to see any Hutchinson or Collins intros, but I love the idea! I think David Stratton used to do those on SBS at one point, too. Free-to-air TV’s certainly not what it once was, and in the age of Netflix there’s really no concept of curation anymore. It’s not all bad, of course, but there are some things we’ll never get back! _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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Pies4shaw
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David Stratton's were phenomenal. He introduced a generation of viewers to landmarks of World Cinema that had basically been unavailable to Australian audiences. I first saw, eg, The Seventh Seal and many wonderful movies by Kurosawa and Ray on SBS introduced by David Stratton. I have, I think, dozens (and perhaps hundreds) of those, with his introductions, on VHS tape. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Mrs WPT & I recently saw Marshland on Stan, a Andalusian killer - thriller set in the immediate post Franco period in Spain. Wow, the cinematography, the atmospherics. It won 10 “Goya” awards when it came out: Spanish Emmys.
https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2015/aug/03/alberto-rodriguez-marshland-thriller _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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