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inxs88
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Post subject: Nearest the pin for Dad's Army players in 2020 | |
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Predictably Trav Varcoe has broken down at training and requires a shoulder reconstruction. With 2019 yielding nominal amount of matches from Daniel Wells, Ben Reid and Tyson Goldsack, it shall be interesting to see how small the amount of matches that list cloggers such as:
* Varcoe: 32 years old this year
* Reid: turning 31
* Greenwood: turning 31 and a dud knee
* Dunn (when seemingly upgraded): two dud knees and turning 33
play in 2020. Would be staggered if it exceeds 15+ between the four of them and can't help but feel Ned Guy has erred in extending their careers. Surely investing in some youth would have been a better play. They have all been good servants of the club but it was time. _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum |
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23 YIPPEE!!!
YIPPEE 23!!!
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Agreed Varcoe Reid Dunn retirement and even maybe greenwood too would have been best to invest in young talent Varcoe Reid are so 2012 |
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BazBoy
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With the four mentioned still on the list there will be times where due to the upcoming game or perceived team balance they will be chosen in the 22
If it is better for our chance for a vital / critical win it’s the choice selection group must make
But the young who can fill either of the four elder players don’t get a chance
and in fact neither does The coaching staff to veiw how kids handle games under extreme pressure _________________ I'm not arguing--just explaining why i am right |
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Location: Queensland
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its called depth _________________ Carlscum 120 years being cheating scum |
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BazBoy
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Understand depth —-a thing a club has but doesn’t necessarily want to expedite
Also understand advancement and opportunity _________________ I'm not arguing--just explaining why i am right |
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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I wouldn’t think any of those senior senior players are any under false illusions about where they “ should “ fit in the scheme of things.
I think they are there more for healthy competition for spots than anything else. If Kelly steps up, that lessens Reid’s chance of a recall even further.
If Kelly doesn’t take his chance, then we have a senior player ready to go ( if Reid isn’t injured )
Quaynor, T Brown, Murphy and maybe Bianco and Rantall are all in the same boat. You want healthy competition internally to push players to be their best.
It’s all part of the delicate balance that is list management. It’s not like Reid, Dunn, Varcoe etc can’t play, it’s more that we would be in better shape if they weren’t required. |
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BazBoy
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I would also suggest just using Reid as an example can as an All Australian CHB be use as a tutorial tool for say Kelly
Simalar to other experienced senior _________________ I'm not arguing--just explaining why i am right |
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GlovemanGayfer
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I'm wondering if the top up veteran is a ploy more clubs will explore. Keep or recruit players at the end of their career as depth players (not to be confused with the Luke Hodge type deal). This would allow for players like Brodie to receive their higher contracts but ensure that clubs don't get caught short. Very similar to what happens in other sports with short term contracts and free agency. While these types of contracts are yet to appear I'm sure that things like the mid season draft are preparing the way for greater contractual freedom. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Personally I think from a list management perspective with not many picks available, we decided we'd get better value for 2020 by keeping some veterans as depth than picking speculative kids with late picks.
None of Varcoe, Reid, Greenwood or Dunn will be first choice selections, but if needed they're far more capable of filling a hole for a few weeks than an 18 year old kid who may never achieve more than eating his own weight in bread rolls over the term of his contract.
I dare say if we thought there were kids left in the draft who had genuine potential, we would have drafted one instead of leaving a place open for Dunn _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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BazBoy
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A good point Stui _________________ I'm not arguing--just explaining why i am right |
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Clemo
clemo
Joined: 24 Mar 1998 Location: Mentone
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Post subject: Re: Nearest the pin for Dad's Army players in 2020 | |
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inxs88 wrote: | Predictably Trav Varcoe has broken down at training and requires a shoulder reconstruction. With 2019 yielding nominal amount of matches from Daniel Wells, Ben Reid and Tyson Goldsack, it shall be interesting to see how small the amount of matches that list cloggers such as:
* Varcoe: 32 years old this year
* Reid: turning 31
* Greenwood: turning 31 and a dud knee
* Dunn (when seemingly upgraded): two dud knees and turning 33
play in 2020. Would be staggered if it exceeds 15+ between the four of them and can't help but feel Ned Guy has erred in extending their careers. Surely investing in some youth would have been a better play. They have all been good servants of the club but it was time. |
you can’t throw the geriatrics out with the bath water
as guru bob would say... ‘think about that one!’ _________________ Go Pies !!!! |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
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They’re only depth if they’re fit to play
They’re only creating competition for spots if they’re available for selection
Otherwise they’re excess baggage
Maybe there weren’t any better options but I think what supporters are concerned about is changing the injury profile we’ve had for the last X years, and being a bit more ruthless about it
Would Hawthorn have kept them on? _________________ https://forever.collingwoodfc.com.au/sav-sinks-the-dockers/ |
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PyreneesPie
PyreneesPie
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stui magpie wrote: | Personally I think from a list management perspective with not many picks available, we decided we'd get better value for 2020 by keeping some veterans as depth than picking speculative kids with late picks.
None of Varcoe, Reid, Greenwood or Dunn will be first choice selections, but if needed they're far more capable of filling a hole for a few weeks than an 18 year old kid who may never achieve more than eating his own weight in bread rolls over the term of his contract.
I dare say if we thought there were kids left in the draft who had genuine potential, we would have drafted one instead of leaving a place open for Dunn |
Yep, this makes sense. Plus, each of the veterans has more to offer in terms of valuable leadership, than the hopeful consuming food resources. |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Sevilla, Spain
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Could have kept Goldsack if we wanted leadership
Howe and Roughead have almost as many games as Dunn and more than Greenwood or Reid
Steele and Mayne have over 200 games experience, Pendlebury 300
I don't think it's lack of experience that has seen us fall short the last 2 years - injuries on the other hand... _________________ https://forever.collingwoodfc.com.au/sav-sinks-the-dockers/ |
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BazBoy
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A good analysis of t
he experience apart from the four under discussion
We do have a good core of experience to utilise in the group and a few premiership players in that as welll
Agree we have a “bank of knowledge “ to draw on and under the revamped
Buckley and coaching staff player input is recognised as value to game planning
Reduced loss of players to injury etc. and growth of the Browns / Quaynor
is IMO the path best traveled _________________ I'm not arguing--just explaining why i am right |
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