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Deja Vu
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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LOL! Richmond would be first in line because they would understand having someone like Grundy would make them unstoppable.
You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water and you don’t trade out your best asset. _________________ http://youtu.be/hvtdbfI1sqQ |
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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win! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Johnno75
Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Location: Wantirna
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Maybe our best and experienced players (not just Grundy) can we play well when it counts most. _________________ Human behavioural studies suggest people who use a lot of swear words tend to be more honest & trustworthy. |
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bally12
Joined: 30 Sep 2010
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I loved Nathan Buckley as a player, and I love him as a person. As a coach I supported him for years until 2 years ago, when I could see he couldn't get the team to gel, until Longmuire arrived and got our defence organised for the first time in 7years.
Last year it was obvious in the GF that we needed to keep attacking and put the foot down. That takes courage, because our team instinctively wants to protect a lead. The GF against the Eagles was like a slow-motion car crash. Our issue as a team was exposed in plain sight.
Our issue is about psychology. About having a relentless, and insatiable desire to attack. It's about taking risks, and to hell with getting hit on the counter if we make a mistake. If a player's skills aren't up to it and he turns it over, then we turn him over. If a player can't be trained to keep up with frenetic, dynamic and explosive game style like that, then same applies. The long-distance runners like Philips and Sidey go missing in the big games where 5 explosive steps near the contest is what you need.
To have the ball means you have the advantage in that you are in control of how you put the ball to your team's advantage, and that's not to go down the line to a 50-50 where you have just given up the advantage you had.
Listen to Buckley and he constantly espouses a defence-first mentality. Automatically we are thinking negatively. Listen to Malcolm Blight and he will tell you the modern coaches that have gone down the defensive-first approach are w#ankers.
My reading of Buckley is someone that is meticulous in his planning. It wouldn't come naturally to him to champion a kamikaze all-out attacking approach that Richmond have dominated the competition with for 3 years now. What more proof do you need? Buckley will tell you there are many ways to skin a cat. We've heard it before. Unfortunately, I think Buckely's personality of being precise with this planning has rubbed off on this team. We are too static, robotic, confused, too small in the clearances, lack mongrel, think too much, and not willing to take risks. We play scared. We let sh#touse teams like Carlton scare the crap out of us because we don't want to take them on, and show them who's boss.
It follows then that our selection decisions are predictable and boring. We never go with the risky option..risky but one that could pay off. Does anyone really think Buckley would have picked Pickett to debut in the GF? No way. And yet, Richmond did debut him and got the spoils.
We had exciting players like Wells, Varcoe, Tyler Brown, waiting to make an impact, but no....we'd rather go with a 70kg Noble who was brushed aside like a little-leaguer. How Madgen could be thought of as preferable to Shhaz is muystifying. Shaz was solid all year for us, until he suddenly was out of favour. Again, a bs decision.
So what next? Sadly, I'm now in the camp that Bucks will never win a premiership for us. He was right in the doco when he said he doesn't know if he's the right man for the job. There was much made about him changing as a person, and being more empathetic and supportive of his players. Well, if we are going to challenge any time soon, he needs to change again. We need some kind of minor miracle for that I reckon.
We are the biggest supporter base in the land. We don't want to go to the footy and watch our team play rope-a-dope.
Buckley said we "were a chest beating club", but not anymore and it's for the better. Yeh that's right, it's for the better for all our haters, who love us being down, and apologetic. We need to beat our chest again on game-day at least.
Come on Pies. The least you can do is play exciting and aggressive footy. You owe it to your supporters. |
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Location: Lexus Centre
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Deja Vu wrote: | LOL! Richmond would be first in line because they would understand having someone like Grundy would make them unstoppable.
You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water and you don’t trade out your best asset. |
Umm, they’ve just won their second premiership in three years so they clearly don’t need him, nor do they want a player holding his club to ransom over money. You don’t build a premiership list paying top dollar for players, if Grundy thinks he is worth a seven year deal, then he doesn’t fit in a premiership team.
How do you think Richmond built a list like theirs? Plus who’s more valuable? Lynch? Riewoldt? Martin? Or Grundy? |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Despite some of the hysterical and panic stricken posts I've been reading on various Nicks threads, it's worth remembering we lost a Grand final last year by less than a goal and a Prelim final by less than a goal this year. So, on any measure, we are very close to Premiership success. Clearly we have the talent, the coach and the game plan to be successful in finals.
However, our side clearly needs some tweaking. Our main problem seems to be our inability to take advantage of Grundy's ruck dominance. That suggests we need some more physicality and power around the ball. De Goey is the man to deliver that, and maybe/hopefully Beams can be the icing on the cake.
Next, once Cox is playing with good eye sight - in both eyes - then we should expect a better performance from him, with flow on effects to our whole forward line.
If we can improve in both these areas, regardless of any trading/drafting we do, then we should have reason to be optimistic about our prospects in 2020. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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think positive wrote: | win! |
yeah, nah yeah!! _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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tbaker
Joined: 02 Jul 2018 Location: Q19 Southern Stand MCG
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Magpies035 wrote: | We don’t have a successful blueprint. Second best Or almost winning a prelim is failure pure and simple.
We do not have the right mix of players. Thinking we do is what costs us a premiership. We accept second best. Oh we did great, we had a good year etc etc.
Yes we almost made it Yes we have a good list
What we don’t have is a Grand Final winning list |
Totally disagree.
And how would Richmond have gone if they had our injury list at the tail end of the season? For a clue just look at the first half of their season... _________________ I find your lack of faith disturbing |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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tbaker wrote: | Magpies035 wrote: | We don’t have a successful blueprint. Second best Or almost winning a prelim is failure pure and simple.
We do not have the right mix of players. Thinking we do is what costs us a premiership. We accept second best. Oh we did great, we had a good year etc etc.
Yes we almost made it Yes we have a good list
What we don’t have is a Grand Final winning list |
Totally disagree.
And how would Richmond have gone if they had our injury list at the tail end of the season? For a clue just look at the first half of their season... |
Excellent point. Also a pretty obvious one that yearns for a viable solution ASAP. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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woodys_world69
Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Brisbane
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GET RID OF THE FITNESS STAFF
pretty simple.....there was a god damn %$#^ing reason we were cup favourites at the start of the season
richmond had 1 long term injury |
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Location: Queensland
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We need a KPF Cox is not going to get better Miochek is only a third option
If Lynch can step up a grade then we can win but doubt he is good enough according to all the VFL reports
Cameeron is a dream we do not have the draft picks
Pattons knees are as bad as Shaz
The medical/conditioning needs looking at.
Keep Grundy JDG and Moore
Can Moore play forward? with confidence? _________________ Carlscum 120 years being cheating scum |
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Deja Vu
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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eddiesmith wrote: | Deja Vu wrote: | LOL! Richmond would be first in line because they would understand having someone like Grundy would make them unstoppable.
You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water and you don’t trade out your best asset. |
Umm, they’ve just won their second premiership in three years so they clearly don’t need him, nor do they want a player holding his club to ransom over money. You don’t build a premiership list paying top dollar for players, if Grundy thinks he is worth a seven year deal, then he doesn’t fit in a premiership team.
How do you think Richmond built a list like theirs? Plus who’s more valuable? Lynch? Riewoldt? Martin? Or Grundy? |
Richmond has not one but 2 players on 7 year multimillion dollar contracts.
And is your question whether 3 players are more valuable than one? _________________ http://youtu.be/hvtdbfI1sqQ |
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Redcraze
Joined: 19 Jun 2016 Location: Port Adelaide, South Australia
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Haff wrote: | I do feel if we had ours best 22 we would have at the very least played in the Granny and if Darcy had played last year, we win that game!
So the key thing for me is to get our fitness department right. Does that mean an overhaul? Rip up the ground? Or pay for the hammy doctor to setup shop at the holden centre? Remove all the constantly injured players? I don’t know but it’s killed us.
Cox, Beams, Langdon and friends will make us a much better side. I don’t think Richmond are that good, the middle rung sides of 10 years back would beat the comfortably for mine. I don’t think we’re far off if we can get our best 22 on the park. |
I agree completely with this excellent post. |
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Born to Pie
Born to Pie
Joined: 20 Sep 2011 Location: Tolga FNQ
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We missed, it's that simple. We missed the win, we missed simple set shots on goal. We missed the development and game time in Aish through injury, and Stephenson through stupidity, who played underdone for those reasons. We missed DeGoey, Beams, Cox and Langdon.
And we chose to give Brown the experience when the experience of Varcoe may have been telling. But the season is gone.
2020 hopefully has a fit DeGoey, Beams, Cox and Langdon. A more experienced and hopefully bigger Brown. Stephenson and Aish available for a full season. WHE gets a full pre-season and is hopefully back to his 2018 form or better. Scharenberg, IQ, Wills and Sier fit, ready and motivated to provide depth. We have a hope of all this without whatever the playing list additions happen.
What's the time on the premiership clock? _________________ In the end, it's not going to matter how many breaths you took, but how many moments took your breath away |
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Deja Vu
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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I reckon we’re at the beginning of a sustained tilt at the Top 4 for the next few years. Can we convert those chances into cups? That’s the question.
But I don’t think we’re far off _________________ http://youtu.be/hvtdbfI1sqQ |
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