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K
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Drawing a long bow on fairness in football
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/drawing-a-long-bow-on-the-footy-fixture-20181102-p50doa.html
M. Blake: "In their wisdom or otherwise, the AFL decided a few years ago to make it even worse when they decided to 'weight' the draw, breaking the teams into groups of six on ladder order and using the draw as a way to equalise the competition.
My problem is not with equalisation, which is a pillar of the AFL and a good thing. But they should not be using the draw to equalise teams. It's a bridge too far. Any proper sporting competition knows that you start with an even draw and then work from there.
The English Premier League is the standard bearer: 20 teams play each other once at home and once away for the season. Nothing complicated. Just fair. The same goes for the Bundesliga in Germany. Soccer keeps itself beautifully simple.
In the NBA, the 30 teams make it awkward but they split into conferences and divisions to make it simpler. Each team plays every team in the other conference twice – once home, once away. In addition, each team plays the other four teams in their division four times (twice at home, twice away), and either three or four times against each team from the other two divisions. Those opponents rotate over several years for the sake of fairness.
The NFL is interesting, with divisions and conferences and a rotational system allowing fairness. Instructively, they play just 16 games in the regular season, because the monumental success of the NFL with that short season suggests that the AFL could do similarly well with, say, 17 games. Just don't suggest that to the broadcasters who pour in several billion dollars of rights fees into the game on the basis of a 22-game regular season!"
[I don't see how the NBA is fair, either. Simple maybe, but how is that system fair?] |
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HAL
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K wrote: | Drawing a long bow on fairness in football
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/drawing-a-long-bow-on-the-footy-fixture-20181102-p50doa.html
M. Blake: "In their wisdom or otherwise, the AFL decided a few years ago to make it even worse when they decided to 'weight' the draw, breaking the teams into groups of six on ladder order and using the draw as a way to equalise the competition.
My problem is not with equalisation, which is a pillar of the AFL and a good thing. But they should not be using the draw to equalise teams. It's a bridge too far. Any proper sporting competition knows that you start with an even draw and then work from there.
The English Premier League is the standard bearer: 20 teams play each other once at home and once away for the season. Nothing complicated. Just fair. The same goes for the Bundesliga in Germany. Soccer keeps itself beautifully simple.
In the NBA, the 30 teams make it awkward but they split into conferences and divisions to make it simpler. Each team plays every team in the other conference twice – once home, once away. In addition, each team plays the other four teams in their division four times (twice at home, twice away), and either three or four times against each team from the other two divisions. Those opponents rotate over several years for the sake of fairness.
The NFL is interesting, with divisions and conferences and a rotational system allowing fairness. Instructively, they play just 16 games in the regular season, because the monumental success of the NFL with that short season suggests that the AFL could do similarly well with, say, 17 games. Just don't suggest that to the broadcasters who pour in several billion dollars of rights fees into the game on the basis of a 22-game regular season!"
[I don't see how the NBA is fair, either. Simple maybe, but how is that system fair?] |
The author of this article intentionally misled his readers by failing to point out that the AFL system draws directly from the NFL.
The NFL intentionally makes their fixtures easier for the lesser teams and harder for the better teams.
for example, the one inter divisional match you play is against the comparable team in the other division. if you finished first, you play the team that finished first in the other division in the next season.....
What the author also fails to mention is that soccer is so lopsided and boring because only three teams EVER have a chance to win, except once every hundred years when a Leicester City comes along. Basketball sadly is becoming like that as well.
NFL is the exception and part of it is that the draw helps teams that are ON THE RISE, to rise!!!
very poor journalism..... cant believe you are spreading it K _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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Sensible Jay wrote: | Clifton Hill-Billy wrote: | Why do wet toast get an easier draw than us, they friggin won the flag? |
I reckon both of us got a fairly difficult draw but who knows what'll happen. I'm curious to see how they'll fare this year after winning the flag. I'm unsure how they'll respond to the pressure attached to being the current premiers. |
Melbourne, Collingwood, West Coast and Richmond all got hard draws because we play each other. If any of these teams slide relative to the others, they will struggle to make the 8. If they stay strong, they will split the games with each other and beat everyone else and still be in the top 4. _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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Monco Matt
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I like this draw. I want us to have the toughest draw in the competition. If we finish top 4 at the end of this fixture we will be the hardest, toughest, meanest sons of bitches in the comp, ready to crack all skulls wide open in September. Bring it on, go hard or go home. _________________ RED "BABY" CAVANAUGH: Didn't hear what the bet was.
MONCO: Your life. |
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think positive
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Monco Matt wrote: | I like this draw. I want us to have the toughest draw in the competition. If we finish top 4 at the end of this fixture we will be the hardest, toughest, meanest sons of bitches in the comp, ready to crack all skulls wide open in September. Bring it on, go hard or go home. |
yep 100 %, next time the umps wont be in the position to kill us off, 10 goals up and have them on their $£$%^%%$ knees praying for the end... no mercy _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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PyreneesPie
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Monco Matt wrote: | I like this draw. I want us to have the toughest draw in the competition. If we finish top 4 at the end of this fixture we will be the hardest, toughest, meanest sons of bitches in the comp, ready to crack all skulls wide open in September. Bring it on, go hard or go home. |
Sounds good MM!!!
This all just an impression I have of the current team (can't be bothered doing any research on it ), but don't we tend to play a better style against the better teams anyway and struggle a bit with those lower on the ladder? |
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piedys
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PyreneesPie wrote: | but don't we tend to play a better style against the better teams anyway and struggle a bit with those lower on the ladder? |
We didn't drop a game against a team outside the 8, in 2018.
Last time we did that was of course 2011.
Ironic how both seasons finished? _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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matrightyeh
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not the worst draw
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duggieboy
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And then there's our bogey team the Awks. we're 1-11 from the last 12! |
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Mossi
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duggieboy wrote: | And then there's our bogey team the Awks. we're 1-11 from the last 12! |
And thanks to the umps who got the Hawks back into the game on at least 3 of those 11 games!!!!! |
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Doug44
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Looking over the draw again, it really is tough. We came third last year after beating everyone outside the eventual top 8 but only one team inside (Queen's Birthday), and we let a few of those slip. GWS, Sydney, both Richmond games (excuses in both, but alas, we could have won both even with those excuses).
It didn't matter in the end but we'll probably play fewer teams outside the eventual 8 this year, so letting games like that slip this year could be the difference between top 4 and missing the 8 completely. Adelaide only went backwards by three games and they went from Grand Finalists to missing the 8.
Don't get me wrong, we had some great wins against sides that might have made it had we not beaten them (Essendon twice, Adelaide), and got out of gaol in games where weaker sides wouldn't have (Brisbane, Freo, St Kilda, WB) but this year that won't be enough.
We have a nice middle but a tough start and a very tough finish. We need to beat Geelong and one of Richmond and West Coast. Otherwise we're in early trouble.
Still three weeks to go and already nervous. Need some footy on Monday to calm me down. |
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DT
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The fixture is irrelevant. If we are good enough we win enough games to be top 4 _________________ Daicos, impossible angle ... Goal! |
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npalm
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Disagree totally DT. In most years there are more than 4 teams that are good enough to win the flag if things (injuries, form etc) happen to fall into place in September e.g. doggies in 2016. But if you're not in the top 4 then you're next to no chance of winning the flag.
So, if an easy fixture means you pick up an extra win that enables you to sneak into 3rd or 4th spot then that can make the difference between winning a flag or not. _________________ Side by side. |
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K
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Yep. When the fixture is so unfair, it really matters who it's unfair to. |
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