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think positive
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i did see that coming and fair enough.
i do agree with you David that judges should not reduce sentences out of sympathy for past history, but i also think that judges should take past history into account, and hand out harsher punishment for previous crimes/behaviour. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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I actually think you guys are mistaking Davids point. I didn't read it as having a go at fathers or men, he was saying that she and them would already be suffering because of their actions. Men killing their kids has been topical recently, so fair statement IMHO and I agree. Unless they are a borderline psychopath, they have to spend the rest of their lives with the knowledge that they killed their children and that has to be worse than gaol time. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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stui magpie wrote: | I actually think you guys are mistaking Davids point. I didn't read it as having a go at fathers or men, he was saying that she and them would already be suffering because of their actions. Men killing their kids has been topical recently, so fair statement IMHO and I agree. Unless they are a borderline psychopath, they have to spend the rest of their lives with the knowledge that they killed their children and that has to be worse than gaol time. |
Agree, David’s point seems reasonable to me, apart from his daft idea of removing custodial sentences (a recipe, even if one accepted the premise of restorative justice,for making child killing far easier - restorative justice for whom, etc). But the basic point that (i) 34, or 25, or 18 years seems a little abstract given the crime ; and (ii) that it’s hard to see how the defendant’s background should interact with the sentence, because there is no obvious connection between it, culpability and the chance of rehab - seems valid. I was trying to make a similar point in my post.
The problem is that modern psychiatric theory is heavily invested in the idea that people can be morally conscious but not responsible for their actions. I think that this is a terrible fallacy arising from the weak nature of the theory in this area. Still, I can see why judges have to follow it as the guidelines are written. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Pi
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Location: SA
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Mugwump wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | I actually think you guys are mistaking Davids point. I didn't read it as having a go at fathers or men, he was saying that she and them would already be suffering because of their actions. Men killing their kids has been topical recently, so fair statement IMHO and I agree. Unless they are a borderline psychopath, they have to spend the rest of their lives with the knowledge that they killed their children and that has to be worse than gaol time. |
Agree, David’s point seems reasonable to me, apart from his daft idea of removing custodial sentences (a recipe, even if one accepted the premise of restorative justice,for making child killing far easier - restorative justice for whom, etc). But the basic point that (i) 34, or 25, or 18 years seems a little abstract given the crime ; and (ii) that it’s hard to see how the defendant’s background should interact with the sentence, because there is no obvious connection between it, culpability and the chance of rehab - seems valid. I was trying to make a similar point in my post. |
I'm not in the "deterrence doesn't work" crowd generally, but I think this is one crime where you could reasonably argue that deterrence probably has a negligible impact on the incidence of crime. Anyone who deliberately kills their own child has already jumped into the abyss. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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"Jumped into the abyss"? Sounds like you're saying they are evil (or mad)... |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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^ No, I mean that they have already reached a point of no return in their lives. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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I think every parent has had moments when they could cheerfully strangle one of their children, usually in the terrible 2's or terrible teens, but to actually do it would be jumping into the abyss. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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luvdids
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Location: work
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stui magpie
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cause and effect. Incredibly dumb to disarm the rangers, might have well as painted bullseyes on the elephants.
For me, (change of topic) trying to moderate my mood without a job is, well, interesting.
You can choose what mood you'll be in, to a degree, but each action has consequences.
Pushing myself to get up and about is great, as long as I have stuff to do. Being energised turns bad when you have nothing to do and find yourself getting fidgety and snappy.
Dialing it back has different consequences. Chilling back means you can cruise through the day, but trying to get up to do some exercise or stuff is counter intuitive. It doesn't work well.
There's a middle ground here I have to find, I can't do yo yo without an external influence like a job. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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think positive
Side By Side
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Oh I so get that! I hate working from home! It’s lonely now the kids don’t need a taxi! I used to be so self motivated! The onslaught of spring is helping, I’ve hit the gym every day for over a week, (I’ve been erratic!) I’ve just finished cleaning down stairs 10 min ago, eating better, down a couple of kg, , I finally did the end paperwork for the project we did with our super, tomorrow a little paperwork and filing, finish upstairs, visit my father in law, pack and hit the airport around 9pm! I cannot wait to hit WA with junior and my camera! 4 days of no work talk, sunshine, my best friend, and a million or so photos! $£$%^%%$ bliss! Oh and yeah there is that game to get too! Go my beautiful wonderful frustrating glorious Magpies!
I have no suggestions for you, except maybe some part time work? Looks like your holiday home project is working out great, but it’s not easy to settle into a different lifestyle when your used to getting up and going to work. People are like, oh your so lucky you get to work from home, and I’m like gawd I live in my pjs! I’m a people person, I need people. Hubby wanting a new fancy camera was probalby a life saver for me! I wish you well my friend. Change is never easy. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Dr switched my blood pressure medication around. Trying Amlo to go with the coversyl instead of Natralix.
Last time I tried this stuff was in a combined tablet, which worked on me like sedative. Taking it separately seems to be worse. I feel wonky in the head as well as tired and nauseous. Fkn brilliant.
I'll give it a few days to see if it's just an adjustment thing but if it stays this way I'm not doing it. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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Bloody taxation. Been trying to get my tax done since July . After a bloody heap of emails and calls to an answering service the tax portal not work. So I go to a tax agent who promises one week turn aound. 3 weeks later i find out the tax has been paid out and i email the agent. said my account wouldn;t work (had it for 36 years) so they sent a registered letter with a cheque in it to my the post officei n my parents home.Have to present myself with photo Id. Trouble is the post office was closed 3 years ago and there are 14 post offices with that post code and I am in Thailand. Mum has a just had a shoulder reconstructed and Dad can't drive since a stroke. 6500 dollars sitting somewhere. All they had to do was email me. And my nearest bank branch is 400 kms from Mum. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967.
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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Fair to say I haven't missed the humid weather of the last couple of days.
If I go for walk with a coat on to protect from the rain then it's fair to say the river of sweat underneath will be worse. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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stui magpie
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Try an umbrella or just walk around naked and get wet. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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