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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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Our trading has been excellent. Drafting good, though with a lot of recent bad luck with injuries.
Free agent signing has been poor, though most of the signings were fill-ins and have had little to do with our stagnation. _________________ Well done boys! |
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Jpies
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AN_Inkling wrote: | Our trading has been excellent. Drafting good, though with a lot of recent bad luck with injuries.
Free agent signing has been poor, though most of the signings were fill-ins and have had little to do with our stagnation. |
I'm not sure I can agree. Drafting has been hit and miss IMO.
2013 we took Scharenberg and Freeman, and despite the injuries as you mentioned, that draft would have to go down as a loss based upon the outcome, particularly noting the talent that came later in that draft. We will never know how good Freeman could have been, and I suspect the same with Scharenberg.
2014 we took De Goey, Moore, Maynard and Goodyear. That year was a win.
2015 draft we took Sier, Phillips, Wills and Crocker. None have been able to establish themselves as locks for selection, and I'm inclined to call that one a loss at this stage despite us having no first round picks.
2016 we took McLarty, Brown, Kirby and Daicos. Too early to judge that one.
Trading has been good as far as older, established players are concerned. Varcoe, Howe and Dunn have all been good choices. I am still a bit concerned that haven't had much success with drafting players from other clubs who have been in the system say, 1 -3 years, who we anticipate will improve. Again, Aish and WHE are the examples in my mind. I'm hoping Murray is an exception. |
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burnsy17
Joined: 10 Aug 2003
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I know this contradicts what Buckley is trying to do (save his employment) but if he held any sort of responsibility to this club, he’d be playing the kids.
I see no reason why smith should be getting a game in front of Cal Brown.
No reason why Daicos isn’t playing before Phillips
It’s embarrassing that Cox is playing AFL football. Is our sport so easy to get into that a bloke who has never played before walks into the starting line-up?
We have too many who lack precision skills and pace.
It’s everyone’s fault. Poor recruitment, poor game plan, poor conditioning. At the end of the day, Buckley will be sacked within the next 6-8 weeks.
Who will be hired to take over? Let the speculation begin. _________________ Beware the swooping Magpie. |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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^^^
Well, in that seemingly highly unlikely event, it'd presumably be a caretaker coach, which rules out your namesake, for example. |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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In the first game last year,we went down to the Bulldogs by only ten points,and probably lost the game through bad kicking.After seeing last night's game,it's pretty clear that we've taken a step back from that performance and have gone backwards.That is a major worry in itself,because we weren't that good last year,and can hardly afford to go backwards. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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AN_Inkling wrote: | A lot of bagging of Cox but our problem was not our tall forwards, it wasn't a night for them to dominate. Roughead did bugger all for the Hawks and Moore was the leading marker for the night with 8 (Reid 6, Cox 0, Roughead 4).
Our problem was a lack of small forwards, or quality forwards of any description. We can say that missing players are not an excuse. But compare Rioli, Burgoyne, Bruest to Crocker and whoever else we had up there and it's a massive discrepancy. That's not coaching, that's lack of personnel. Add Wells, Elliot, Fas, De Goey and the forward lines are not so far a part.
They beat us for run and had more talented forwards. Simple as that. I did not see any coaching failure in this game. Overall it was a fairly even contest and I don't see any reason to think we won't be competitive in most games. |
Like I noted myself take out 3 or 4 of your best players that all play in one specific area of the ground and all teams will struggle to play to their optimum.
Elliott, Fasolo and de Goey are all part of our best forward structure and Wells is one of our most creative who amplifies the abilities of those around him because of his intelligent ball use.
Given the notable forward line players available for Hawthorn we were always going to be in trouble unless we could dominate the midfield possession.
We didn't and I'm afraid it was game over. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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Raw Hammer
Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Location: The Gutter
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Man, watching the way Melb and Geel outnumber contests at half back and actually have one of their players sit off the pack to grab the ensuing front and centre crumbs makes me ill at what we have going at Collingwood. _________________ Est. 2002 |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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AN_Inkling wrote: | Our trading has been excellent. Drafting good, though with a lot of recent bad luck with injuries.
Free agent signing has been poor, though most of the signings were fill-ins and have had little to do with our stagnation. |
and Development been nothing but Terrible _________________ I am Da Man |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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Raw Hammer wrote: | Man, watching the way Melb and Geel outnumber contests at half back and actually have one of their players sit off the pack to grab the ensuing front and centre crumbs makes me ill at what we have going at Collingwood. |
But they did swap 3 OOFs in about half a minute in the dying stages of the game. Didn't that bring some joy to your heart? |
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slangman
Joined: 11 Aug 2003
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Anyone who thinks we are either on the right track or close to it is delusional.
The secret “review” was obviously not thorough enough.
I want an explanation why and how was Buckley given a contract extension.
It absolutely made no sense then and makes even less sense now.
This isn’t their club, this is our club and this “jobs for mates” rubbish should be banned.
You don’t have to be an expert to realise that we will not make the finals again.
This decade will forever be remembered as the wasted years. _________________ - Side By Side - |
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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slangman wrote: | Anyone who thinks we are either on the right track or close to it is delusional.
The secret “review” was obviously not thorough enough.
I want an explanation why and how was Buckley given a contract extension.
It absolutely made no sense then and makes even less sense now.
This isn’t their club, this is our club and this “jobs for mates” rubbish should be banned.
You don’t have to be an expert to realise that we will not make the finals again.
This decade will forever be remembered as the wasted years. |
fair question _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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Raw Hammer wrote: | Man, watching the way Melb and Geel outnumber contests at half back and actually have one of their players sit off the pack to grab the ensuing front and centre crumbs makes me ill at what we have going at Collingwood. |
Was thinking the same thing; oh and Melbourne just claimed WCE's spot in the 8 for 2018, despite Geebung winning by default. Failing that, I can see no other likely changes to the final 8 from 2017.
What the season will become is simply now a juxtaposition exercise of exactly where in the 8 those teams will finish by the end of H&A season. _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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think positive wrote: | [quote="slangman"]Anyone who thinks we are either on the right track or close to it is delusional.
The secret “review” was obviously not thorough enough.
I want an explanation why and how was Buckley given a contract extension.
It absolutely made no sense then and makes even less sense now.
This isn’t their club, this is our club and this “jobs for mates” rubbish should be banned.
You don’t have to be an expert to realise that we will not make the finals again.
This decade will forever be remembered as the wasted years.[/quote]
fair question | Oh. Thanks for pointing no sense then and makes less sense out. |
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Raw Hammer
Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Location: The Gutter
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K wrote: | Raw Hammer wrote: | Man, watching the way Melb and Geel outnumber contests at half back and actually have one of their players sit off the pack to grab the ensuing front and centre crumbs makes me ill at what we have going at Collingwood. |
But they did swap 3 OOFs in about half a minute in the dying stages of the game. Didn't that bring some joy to your heart? |
That's got nothing to do with structure, instruction, or smarts. They were simply tired legs and poor execution. But yes, it was one ugly minute of football. _________________ Est. 2002 |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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^ Yes, fatigue must have played a significant part, I think. |
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