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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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Post subject: Bugger the $million review: here are our ten problems | |
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1.Small and slow: 17 players under 182 cm with only 2 of them with genuine leg speed
2. Five General Managers of Football: in 5 years. How many mixed messages would have floated around the footy dept, player group and admin areas??
3. Injuries: 4/6 years Bux has been cruelled by genuine, win loss affecting injuries that have no doubt affected us. Freeman and Scharenberg were game changing losses.
4. Players brought in: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
5. Tackling: not often spoke about on Nick's but can't help but see that outside Goldsack and Crisp, we can't make tackles "stick"!
6. Kicking skills: what can I say that we all don't know. It is galling to see supposed A graders butcher the ball EVERY week.
7. List imbalance: we have 12 half back flanker types, 18 midfielders and 6 forwards and 2 Rucks
8. Inflexible coaching moves: to think that Howe hasn't played 20 minutes forward since Round 3, 2016 is the embodiment of rigid!
9. No faith in youth: as other clubs blood and rotate youth into the seniors. We make our youngsters climb Mt Everest, discover penicillin and complete a PHD for some senior selection
10. No forecasting: failed to "read the tea leaves" of GWS and Gold Coast affect like the Hawks. Worst time to rebuild vs topping up.
FIX IT! _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum |
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GoWoodsmen
Joined: 18 Apr 2005 Location: Australia
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Wow.... are you serious, we have 17 players under 182cm? Combine that with your assessment about the list balance and that is incompetence at best. The General Manager changes has been mentioned by quite a few ex-coaches who know the lay of the land but how do you know anything a GM says reaches the players. Is that really how the chain of command works at a footy club? I only played amatuers but the only person addressing us was the coach. We wouldn't had a clue about any politics going on.
You've pretty much nailed the issues. The skills were identified back in the first year Bucks took over. How many times have we all thought "how could our most skillful player in the history of our club consciously oversee such ineptness in the skill department".
The one I think you missed is 11. Decision Making. What I don't understand is that our decision making was actually getting much much better prior to the Dees game. Then... poof.... like a magic act, it's gone. _________________ Side By Side Forever |
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makri
Joined: 29 Oct 2005 Location: Clifton Hill
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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GoWoodsmen wrote: | Wow.... are you serious, we have 17 players under 182cm? Combine that with your assessment about the list balance and that is incompetence at best. The General Manager changes has been mentioned by quite a few ex-coaches who know the lay of the land but how do you know anything a GM says reaches the players. Is that really how the chain of command works at a footy club? I only played amatuers but the only person addressing us was the coach. We wouldn't had a clue about any politics going on.
You've pretty much nailed the issues. The skills were identified back in the first year Bucks took over. How many times have we all thought "how could our most skillful player in the history of our club consciously oversee such ineptness in the skill department".
The one I think you missed is 11. Decision Making. What I don't understand is that our decision making was actually getting much much better prior to the Dees game. Then... poof.... like a magic act, it's gone. |
Maybe you missed my attempt at a little bit of my "levity" insofar as my list imbalance comments were concerned. In regards to the General Manager stuff reaching the players etc.... Well their charter includes:
1. Recruiting players from other clubs along with Hine. Examples of this include Neale Balme meeting Treloar, Allan securing Mayne (oh) etc..
2. Doing player player contracts and delistings
3. Coordinating the team on match day from the boundary and box in support of Bux
4. Travelling with team on every interstate trip
As the title suggests General Manager of Footy Operations he has a pretty broad player charter. _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum |
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BEAMER09
Joined: 10 Apr 2009
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Bugger the $million review: here is our one problem
1. Buckley _________________ COLLINGW09D |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Post subject: Re: Bugger the $million review: here are our ten problems | |
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inxs88 wrote: | 4. Players brought in: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
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Don't Give Up on Aish Yet. Wells is worth that but been too Injured. Greenwood has been Very Sold.
Mayne is the only Big F**k Up.
What about brining in players like:
- Karnezis
- Clinton Young
- Jordan Russell
- Quieten Lynch _________________ I am Da Man |
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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Post subject: Re: Bugger the $million review: here are our ten problems | |
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Dave The Man wrote: | inxs88 wrote: | 4. Players brought in: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
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Don't Give Up on Aish Yet. Wells is worth that but been too Injured. Greenwood has been Very Sold.
Mayne is the only Big F**k Up.
What about brining in players like:
- Karnezis (swapped for J. Paine)
- Clinton Young (free agent)
- Jordan Russell (swapped for Tom Young pick 71)
- Quieten Lynch | (free agent)
Am not too concerned with these given they are mere top up players for free virtually and are merely replacing players 38-43 on our list. _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum |
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Invigoration
Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Post subject: Re: Bugger the $million review: here are our ten problems | |
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Dave The Man wrote: | inxs88 wrote: | 4. Players brought in: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
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Don't Give Up on Aish Yet. Wells is worth that but been too Injured. Greenwood has been Very Sold.
Mayne is the only Big F**k Up.
What about brining in players like:
- Karnezis
- Clinton Young
- Jordan Russell
- Quieten Lynch |
I don't reckon the combined wages of those 4 guys would even equal Mayne's yearly salary
No harm in having a punt on a few blokes like that. _________________ Brown re his GF omission:
"It’s not about me & it never has been. It’s about the team & it’s about Collingwood & it’s about the 22 other blokes out there on the park. That’s all that matters to me" |
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Piesnchess
piesnchess
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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BEAMER09 wrote: | Bugger the $million review: here is our one problem
1. Buckley |
One would hope, hope, that our next coach, whomever he may be, gets a better go from some fans than what Bucks got, no doubt if he flusters a bit, the usual suspects will want to knife him after two seasons, I can see it coming now. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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uncanny
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Location: Castlemaine
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Post subject: Re: Bugger the $million review: here are our ten problems | |
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inxs88 wrote: | 1.Small and slow: 17 players under 182 cm with only 2 of them with genuine leg speed
2. Five General Managers of Football: in 5 years. How many mixed messages would have floated around the footy dept, player group and admin areas??
3. Injuries: 4/6 years Bux has been cruelled by genuine, win loss affecting injuries that have no doubt affected us. Freeman and Scharenberg were game changing losses.
4. Players brought in: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
5. Tackling: not often spoke about on Nick's but can't help but see that outside Goldsack and Crisp, we can't make tackles "stick"!
6. Kicking skills: what can I say that we all don't know. It is galling to see supposed A graders butcher the ball EVERY week.
7. List imbalance: we have 12 half back flanker types, 18 midfielders and 6 forwards and 2 Rucks
8. Inflexible coaching moves: to think that Howe hasn't played 20 minutes forward since Round 3, 2016 is the embodiment of rigid!
9. No faith in youth: as other clubs blood and rotate youth into the seniors. We make our youngsters climb Mt Everest, discover penicillin and complete a PHD for some senior selection
10. No forecasting: failed to "read the tea leaves" of GWS and Gold Coast affect like the Hawks. Worst time to rebuild vs topping up.
FIX IT! |
number 1 reason is by far the biggest factor
"we want to be known as a grunt side" is our coach's philosophy
fair enough, you need that but you need attacking fear to beat the opposition we have so many men of the smaller stature on our list
the grunt men
not nearly enough thinking about aerial strength and what it can add to the side
that's what makes the game easier and gets you the points in the end, on top of the grunt _________________ woodsmen rule |
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melliot
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Location: Bendigo
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I still can't help but watch us on field and think we are the worst oganised team and have the worst team work in the league.
That is the coaching team's responsability.
Good list or poor list. Good coaching should at least see us work in an ordered manner on field. We are a rabble. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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uncanny wrote: | [quote="inxs88"][b]1.Small and slow:[/b] 17 players under 182 cm with only 2 of them with genuine leg speed
[b]2. Five General Managers [/b]of Football: in 5 years. How many mixed messages would have floated around the footy dept, player group and admin areas??
[b]3. Injuries:[/b] 4/6 years Bux has been cruelled by genuine, win loss affecting injuries that have no doubt affected us. Freeman and Scharenberg were game changing losses.
[b]4. Players brought in[/b]: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
[b]5. Tackling[/b]: not often spoke about on Nick's but can't help but see that outside Goldsack and Crisp, we can't make tackles "stick"!
[b]6. Kicking skills:[/b] what can I say that we all don't know. It is galling to see supposed A graders butcher the ball EVERY week.
[b]7. List imbalance:[/b] we have 12 half back flanker types, 18 midfielders and 6 forwards and 2 Rucks
[b]8. Inflexible coaching moves:[/b] to think that Howe hasn't played 20 minutes forward since Round 3, 2016 is the embodiment of rigid!
[b]9. No faith in youth: [/b]as other clubs blood and rotate youth into the seniors. We make our youngsters climb Mt Everest, discover penicillin and complete a PHD for some senior selection
[b]10. No forecasting:[/b] failed to "read the tea leaves" of GWS and Gold Coast affect like the Hawks. Worst time to rebuild vs topping up.
FIX IT![/quote]
number 1 reason is by far the biggest factor
"we want to be known as a grunt side" is our coach's philosophy
fair enough, you need that but you need attacking fear to beat the opposition we have so many men of the smaller stature on our list
the grunt men
not nearly enough thinking about aerial strength and what it can add to the side
that's what makes the game easier and gets you the points in the end, on top of the grunt | Oops. Too much data. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Piesnchess wrote: | BEAMER09 wrote: | Bugger the $million review: here is our one problem
1. Buckley |
One would hope, hope, that our next coach, whomever he may be, gets a better go from some fans than what Bucks got, no doubt if he flusters a bit, the usual suspects will want to knife him after two seasons, I can see it coming now. |
Yeah, there were a lot that wanted Malthouse replaced in 2004/5 and even in 2008/9. Welcome to Collingwood. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Location: We prefer free speech - you know it's right
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Mugwump wrote: | Piesnchess wrote: | BEAMER09 wrote: | Bugger the $million review: here is our one problem
1. Buckley |
One would hope, hope, that our next coach, whomever he may be, gets a better go from some fans than what Bucks got, no doubt if he flusters a bit, the usual suspects will want to knife him after two seasons, I can see it coming now. |
Yeah, there were a lot that wanted Malthouse replaced in 2004/5 and even in 2008/9. Welcome to Collingwood. |
Which of course, was totally ridiculous, in both cases. In 2009, all we needed was a decent ruckman, which we got. As to the earlier crying, we'd been mauled by a monster for several years in a row which would have got just about anyone here crying, we were good but not good enough - that's life. _________________ All Aboard!! Choo Choo!!! |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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Post subject: Re: Bugger the $million review: here are our ten problems | |
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inxs88 wrote: | Dave The Man wrote: | inxs88 wrote: | 4. Players brought in: Aish (2 second rd picks on 4 year deal), Mayne ($500,000 for 4 years), Wells ($550,000), Greenwood ($500,000 for 4 years) whom have squeezed our salary cap.
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Don't Give Up on Aish Yet. Wells is worth that but been too Injured. Greenwood has been Very Sold.
Mayne is the only Big F**k Up.
What about brining in players like:
- Karnezis (swapped for J. Paine)
- Clinton Young (free agent)
- Jordan Russell (swapped for Tom Young pick 71)
- Quieten Lynch | (free agent)
Am not too concerned with these given they are mere top up players for free virtually and are merely replacing players 38-43 on our list. |
Places on the list are limited. We could have been developing a young KPP instead. Hawthorn have been developing Tim O'Brien for the last 4 years. Only now is he showing his potential while our cupboard is empty. |
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