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Mountains Magpie
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Mugwump wrote: | Pies4shaw wrote: | Unsurprisingly, it's been pretty poor since US-led coalition forces have been serially carpet bombing and occupying countries with large Muslim populations. |
I can't think of any largely Muslim-populated land where the US has conducted "Carpet bombing", let alone "serially". Perhaps you could stretch that term to apply to the Road to Basra in the First Gulf War, but that was a military convoy during a state of declared war.
Nor, apart from Iraq, can I think of "serial occupations" of Muslim countries. |
Of the top 10 nations by muslim population, only Pakistan was bombed by the USA in 2016, a grand total of........3 times.
Which is to say that 3 bombs were dropped on Pakistan by the USA in 2016.
In any event, should the thread title be altered to 'The curious case of the internet browsing habits of a Nick's moderator' ? _________________ Spiral progress, unstoppable,
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Mugwump
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Mountains Magpie wrote: |
In any event, should the thread title be altered to 'The curious case of the internet browsing habits of a Nick's moderator' ? |
I don't know David personally, but from what I do know, I suspect it's a heavy case of "when convent girls go bad..." _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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regan is true fullback
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Quote: | Nor, apart from Iraq, can I think of "serial occupations" of Muslim countries. |
There is the vexed question of Palestine, which is how this mess started...
Americans have been involved in regime change in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines (large Muslim minority fighting on and off with the Catholic Regime in power for the last 60 years) and Indonesia.
America has supported Catholic dictators from Franco to Pinochet enabling them to carry out their mini holocausts against their own people. The Opus Dei Cult, founded by Franco and his boyfriend Escriva is carrying on the cause of Fascism in all Catholic countries, including this one. Guess which former PM is a member of the cult?
Atrocities against Muslim communities have occurred in the Balkans, where Serbia's favourite son Radavan Karadsich although no friend of America, carried out massacre after massacre against Muslims and other minorities, and then was hidden for years by priests of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
If Trump sees the world in black and white, Christian against Muslim, then he is going to have some very nasty friends. |
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HAL
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Does that remind you of top gun? ? |
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David
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Mountains Magpie wrote: | Mugwump wrote: | Pies4shaw wrote: | Unsurprisingly, it's been pretty poor since US-led coalition forces have been serially carpet bombing and occupying countries with large Muslim populations. |
I can't think of any largely Muslim-populated land where the US has conducted "Carpet bombing", let alone "serially". Perhaps you could stretch that term to apply to the Road to Basra in the First Gulf War, but that was a military convoy during a state of declared war.
Nor, apart from Iraq, can I think of "serial occupations" of Muslim countries. |
Of the top 10 nations by muslim population, only Pakistan was bombed by the USA in 2016, a grand total of........3 times.
Which is to say that 3 bombs were dropped on Pakistan by the USA in 2016.
In any event, should the thread title be altered to 'The curious case of the internet browsing habits of a Nick's moderator' ? |
I dunno, I personally find the idea of a fabled, particularly tasteless effort in the underground '70s New York gay porn genre far more interesting than yet another round of "was Saladin better than Richard the Lionheart?". All I know is the world needs more blasphemy. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Mountains Magpie
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Nah, the world needs more respect, tempered with good humour _________________ Spiral progress, unstoppable,
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Mugwump wrote: | Mountains Magpie wrote: |
In any event, should the thread title be altered to 'The curious case of the internet browsing habits of a Nick's moderator' ? |
I don't know David personally, but from what I do know, I suspect it's a heavy case of "when convent girls go bad..." |
_________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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regan is true fullback wrote: | Quote: | Nor, apart from Iraq, can I think of "serial occupations" of Muslim countries. |
There is the vexed question of Palestine, which is how this mess started...
Americans have been involved in regime change in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines (large Muslim minority fighting on and off with the Catholic Regime in power for the last 60 years) and Indonesia.
America has supported Catholic dictators from Franco to Pinochet enabling them to carry out their mini holocausts against their own people. The Opus Dei Cult, founded by Franco and his boyfriend Escriva is carrying on the cause of Fascism in all Catholic countries, including this one. Guess which former PM is a member of the cult?
Atrocities against Muslim communities have occurred in the Balkans, where Serbia's favourite son Radavan Karadsich although no friend of America, carried out massacre after massacre against Muslims and other minorities, and then was hidden for years by priests of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
If Trump sees the world in black and white, Christian against Muslim, then he is going to have some very nasty friends. |
So no serial carpet bombing or serial occupations then. Just a group of countries where the US has supported factions favorable to its interests as all nations do. Americas involvement in the Serbian war did involve bombing - on behalf of an oppressed Muslim province.
America was indeed involved in changing a regime which actively aided and abetted Al Qaeda in killing 3000 people on American soil, trying to kill America's top generals in the Pentagon, and trying to crash a plane into the White House. These Americans are so unreasonable. Why didn't they just ask the Taliban to say sorry and clean up the mess ?
If one tries to take a rational view of it, America has been culpable in initiating the Iraq invasion of 2003. It would have been better to have sought to co-opt Allende rather than support the horrible Pinochet, though in the context of the Cold War it was probably strategically justifiable, even if it proved unwise.
Looking further back, Vietnam was a similar case (and there really was carpet-bombing in Vietnam). In hindsight, an unnecessary and destructive war pursued very badly, but in the context of its time, a reasonable attempt to hold back the montrous and homicidal communism that was in danger of spreading from Russia and China. North Korea suggests that this was not an unreasonable fear.
I don't know much about Opus Dei but the involvement of the Us government in it seems to be almost nil. The only names I recognise among people who are purportedly members of it (notably Justice Scalia and Ruth Kelly) seem to be people with a record of well-scrutinized successful public service and good moral character. They're Catholic, with Catholic views on abortion and other matters. This is permitted in a free society. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Mugwump
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Mountains Magpie wrote: | Nah, the world needs more respect, tempered with good humour |
Granted, though some views don't really deserve respect.
Blasphemy is sort of the other side of the coin of religious hatred and fundamentalism. It does seem odd that religious believers are not expected to say terrible things about, say, homosexuality, yet we're relaxed when religious beliefs are gratuitously insulted. As free speech, none of this should be a matter for the law, but civilized life requires that most people frown on bad manners, even if they are legal. Blasphemy deserves our stern disapproval in the same way. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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Blah blah blah.
I'm more interested in the concept of a movie where Jesus and Muhammad are spit roasting Buddha. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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think positive
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Mugwump wrote: | Mountains Magpie wrote: | Nah, the world needs more respect, tempered with good humour |
Granted, though some views don't really deserve respect.
Blasphemy is sort of the other side of the coin of religious hatred and fundamentalism. It does seem odd that religious believers are not expected to say terrible things about, say, homosexuality, yet we're relaxed when religious beliefs are gratuitously insulted. As free speech, none of this should be a matter for the law, but civilized life requires that most people frown on bad manners, even if they are legal. Blasphemy deserves our stern disapproval in the same way. |
Great post _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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swoop42 wrote: | Blah blah blah.
I'm more interested in the concept of a movie where Jesus and Muhammad are spit roasting Buddha. |
needs Kali in there as well _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Mugwump wrote: | Mountains Magpie wrote: | Nah, the world needs more respect, tempered with good humour |
Granted, though some views don't really deserve respect.
Blasphemy is sort of the other side of the coin of religious hatred and fundamentalism. It does seem odd that religious believers are not expected to say terrible things about, say, homosexuality, yet we're relaxed when religious beliefs are gratuitously insulted. As free speech, none of this should be a matter for the law, but civilized life requires that most people frown on bad manners, even if they are legal. Blasphemy deserves our stern disapproval in the same way. |
On the contrary; sacred cows are made to be roasted. There's a fundamental difference – and one that I hope most people can comprehend – between vilifying an individual and mocking an idea.
Of course, subversion wouldn't be subversion if it didn't invite stern disapproval from someplace or other; but that doesn't mean that it's not worthy of celebration. The idea of a society where blasphemy is suppressed is far more offensive to me than an 'irreverent' one in which it is rampant. Sometimes, we even like to tell ourselves that we live in such a society here in Australia, although it's probably far from the truth and likely always has been. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Mugwump
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^ this may be just a matter of degree, and definition. Of course ideas, and the behavior and character of those who profess them, can be attacked and mockery can be part of that, and I would disavow any kind of official or legal suppression.
However, do you really wish to go back to a world where people viciously mock the affectations of your preferred interest groups ? Of gay people, or other cultures and races ? Are these matters not more "sacrosanct" in our modern society than Christianity ? As such, are they included in your deserved "sanctity roastings" ?
Blasphemy is rightly permitted in our society, as many disagreeable things are, and sincere and forthright criticism should be cherished - but vicious offense seems to me, at root, a kind of intolerant illiberalism. Derision and gratuitous violation of the kind envisaged in this thread is also a fairly closed form of argument, which does not engage with anything other than its own supporters. These things lead to a cheap, riven and unhappy society where people in opposing solitudes effectively insult one another for fun. Is that really worth the sniggering ?
Blasphemy is a lot better than actual physical violence, but at some level they are related, as an insult is to a punch. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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Insults covered by 'I'm only joking' are still insults.
the humour of cowards. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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