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ronrat
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think positive
Side By Side
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Hehe that's karma al right! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Jezza
2023 PREMIERS!
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Oh a web page. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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That's a big hunstman _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Bucks5
Nicky D - Parting the red sea
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Nice one Hal. _________________ How would Siri know when to answer "Hey Siri" unless it is listening in to everything you say? |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Thank you for your kindness. |
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think positive
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Why why why do I never Listen?
I'm never sweeping again _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Seriously?
Quote: | A HOLIDAY in Dubai has turned into a nightmare for a British tourist.
The 25-year-old woman has been charged with illegal “extramarital sex” after going to the police to report that she had been gang-raped.
The woman alleges she was attacked by two British men in a hotel last month.
But police arrested her for breaking Emirati law which forbids sex outside of marriage.
If convicted the woman could be jailed, deported, flogged or even stoned to death.
Detained in Dubai, a campaign group based in the UK, said the woman has been released on bail but her passport has been confiscated leaving her stranded in Dubai.
Meanwhile her alleged attackers have been allowed to fly home to the UK. |
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/british-woman-charged-with-extramarital-sex-in-dubai-after-telling-police-she-was-gangraped/news-story/1c09583aac7a5132ee198f360cbf6bb1 _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Morrigu
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^ WTF indeed!!! Maybe she can appeal to the United Nations Human Rights Council - Saudi Arabia sit on that - they are bound to be sympathetic! _________________ “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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stui magpie wrote: | Seriously?
Quote: | A HOLIDAY in Dubai has turned into a nightmare for a British tourist.
The 25-year-old woman has been charged with illegal “extramarital sex” after going to the police to report that she had been gang-raped.
The woman alleges she was attacked by two British men in a hotel last month.
But police arrested her for breaking Emirati law which forbids sex outside of marriage.
If convicted the woman could be jailed, deported, flogged or even stoned to death.
Detained in Dubai, a campaign group based in the UK, said the woman has been released on bail but her passport has been confiscated leaving her stranded in Dubai.
Meanwhile her alleged attackers have been allowed to fly home to the UK. |
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/british-woman-charged-with-extramarital-sex-in-dubai-after-telling-police-she-was-gangraped/news-story/1c09583aac7a5132ee198f360cbf6bb1 |
That's Sharia Law.
According to Sharia law:
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ˝ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on (see Sharia law in America, UK, Europe and Saudi Arabia). _________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. |
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David
I dare you to try
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^ Please include sources if you're going to make such claims. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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David
I dare you to try
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Just one of the more far-fetched claims in that list:
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2015/05/28/4244447.htm
Quote: | Consider the concept of taqiyya - or "action of covering, dissimulation" - which can be traced back to internal Muslim sectarian conflict and "denotes dispensing with the ordinances of religion in cases of constraint and when there is a possibility of harm." Defined by The Oxford Dictionary of Islam as the "precautionary denial of religious belief in the face of potential persecution," in academic scholarship it is most commonly described as a Shi'a justification for false denials of faith told as a means of surviving Sunni persecution.
Allegations of taqiyya still feature in intra-Muslim disputes, particularly those across the Sunni/Shi'a divide but also between secular and Islamist political parties. Such allegations have arisen in Turkish political discourse, where Kemalist politicians and commentators have accused religious movements and political parties of engaging in taqiyya (or "takiyye"), concealing their Islamist agenda beneath a democratic facade.
However, in post 9/11 anti-Muslim discourse, taqiyya has been redefined as a religious obligation for Muslims to lie to non-Muslims not simply for survival, but in order to serve the expansionist agenda of their religious community. According to the taqiyya-focused strand of the anti-Muslim moral panic, Muslims stand condemned for their participation in this hidden agenda even when no criminal or anti-social behaviour is apparent.
Taqiyya scare-mongering has a strong online presence and is beginning to enter mainstream media as a counterpoint to reassurances from "moderate" Muslims that their religious community poses no threat to non-Muslims. This paranoia reaches its logical conclusion with the "secret Muslim" rumours surrounding U.S. President Barack Obama. Obama's visible otherness as the first black President is not considered a legitimate target in mainstream political discourse. Instead, he is under fire for his alleged invisible, clandestine identity as a Muslim. The fact that Obama's father and stepfather were at least nominally Muslim and that he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia is cited as evidence for such claims. Despite his public identity as a churchgoing Christian, his family links with Islam have generated allegations that he is really a secret Muslim and his presidency is part of a sinister Islamic plot.
Other prominent public figures have faced equally far-fetched accusations of taqiyya. After Democratic congressman Anthony Weiner was forced to resign following revelations that he had sent explicit photographs by text message to various young women, neoconservative public relations consultant Eliana Benador speculated darkly in a blog post (later removed) for the Washington Times website on why Weiner's Muslim wife had chosen to maintain her marriage to her disgraced Jewish husband: "It is also important, when looking at this situation, to remember that observant Muslims practice Taqiyya, an element of sharia that states there is a legal right and duty to distort the truth to promote the cause of Islam." |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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Far fetched you say, because you found something that refutes it.
Wikepedia calls it a debate....
Contemporary debate Edit
In 2004, Lebanese Druze scholar Sami Makarem published the monograph Al Taqiyya Fi Al Islam ("Dissimulation in Islam"), arguing that the concept should be considered "mainstream" and ubiquitous in modern Islamic politics,
"Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream...Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era." (p. 7, trans. Raymond Ibrahim).
Since the 2000s, taqiyya has become a frequently invoked concept in debates surrounding criticism of Islam and especially Islamic extremism. Islamic scholars tend to emphasize that taqiyya is only permissible under duress, and that the inflationary use of the term qualifies as "a staple of right-wing Islamophobia in North America" (Mohammad Fadel 2013), or "Taqiyya libel against Muslims"[45] while their critics accuse them of practicing "taqiyya about taqiyya" _________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. |
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