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Pi
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Location: SA
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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Funny you say that.
I haven't seen any of it but am hearing people mostly saying he blitzed Hillary ??? _________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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I only saw the last 45 minutes, but that's certainly the impression I got – he was rambly, unfocused, overly defensive and said some absolutely jaw-dropping stuff (China should invade North Korea!), while she wiped the floor with him on policy depth and sheer rhetoric. Of course, there'll always be diehards on either side who'll claim it as a win for their preferred candidate; but if you want a sense of who performed better, compare the muted response on pro-Trump sites like Breitbart compared to the coverage elsewhere. They know it went badly for him*.
*Of course, Trump could have mumbled incoherently for 90 minutes or taken a dump on stage and his poll numbers might go up. American politics has long since left planet Earth and was most recently seen orbiting Neptune. I've given up trying to predict how this will pan out. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Pi
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Location: SA
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Like you I only saw the last half, apparently he was better in the first couple of minutes, the confused supercilious look on his face made him seem like a gormless idiot. The absence of a crowd to work will harm his 'performances'
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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Watched most of it. I, who picked Trump to win the Presidency only yesterday, was put back into the "now I don't know" place by a stunning performance by Clinton. She killed Trump. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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Hillary looked like she knew the questions already, very polished. Thing is, that's her weakness so who knows how it'll play. Polls seem to be backing a Trump win but I haven't watched it yet so who knows. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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I think Thing is a lot of things. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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See how the polls go.
Interesting as I understand it, Clinton went full on attack and Trump barely swung back. Lots of material he could have used if he wanted to make it an insult fest, but he didn't.
Policy detail only matters to analysts and people who think they make fact based rational decisions, so that aspect won't have changed anyone's opinion. It's the subliminal stuff that matters more, so we'll see what happens to the polls and whether either change tactics in round 2. Hillary may have thrown all her punches in the first round. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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From what I've read most pundits including republicans gave it to Clinton on points. But clearly on points. His tax evasion will continue to be exploited. He won't win the minority votes & it will depend of course on how many turn up to vote. Donalds problems will be how far a narcassist like him is willing to listen to advice _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough†Kinky Friedman |
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Morrigu
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David wrote: | he was rambly, unfocused, overly defensive and said some absolutely jaw-dropping stuff (China should invade North Korea!) |
Yep he got that wrong North Korea ( or anyone else for that matter) should do the world a favour and obliterate China!!!! And if they have anything left Vietnam too! _________________ “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.†|
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Considering humankind's broader treatment of animals, perhaps you should be calling for Kim Jung-un to obliterate every country on earth. I'm sure he'd be happy to oblige (and if not, Trump can always lend a helping hand). _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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On SBS The Feed just now, re the debate:
Jerry Springer apparently tweeted: Clinton should be president & Trump should be on my show _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough†Kinky Friedman |
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Tannin
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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David wrote: | I'm kind of torn on the Hitler analogies. On the one hand, it's totally ridiculous ... |
Evidence for this claim, please.
What is the differences between Trump and Hitler, as you see them? What, exactly, is ridiculous?
Given the overwhelming similarities between the two characters - in particular, their extraordinary shared ability to simultaneously be seen as warm, funny, charming leaders with great personal magnetism and mouth nothing but grossly self-contradictory, rambling, incoherent nonsense - what makes you believe that the differences are significant?
We have this strange ingrained belief - a dogma in fact - that Hitler was uniquely evil. He wasn't. Hitler's evil wasn't all that different to the evil of a hundred other leaders. He did more harm than most because (a) he had more power than most leaders get, and (b) because people believed in him, because people suspended their rational facilities and happily ignored his daily inconsistencies and constant repeated lies. They just believed, regardless of all evidence to the contrary.
The one thing that made Hitler really dangerous was his ability to attract followers who liked and trusted him regardless of all reason. He hypnotised people by the million, and they didn't care that nearly everything he said was wrong and nutty and known to be wrong. They just liked believing in him, and they did just that.
Now tell me again that Trump is different. Tell me how and why.
For bonus points, tell me why Trump isn't Putin. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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Wokko
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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Tannin
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Oh FFS, those were online polls. You'd have to be a moron to take seriously an online poll busily counting clicks and robots. Or, of course, a Trump supporter. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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