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Wokko
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An interesting philosophical view point I've come across recently is that voting is in itself an act of violence, legitimizing the government and the State itself. In effect every act committed by a Government is also committed by those who gave them the power to act in their name. Here's two essays on the subject I find pretty compelling, but you have to be able to set aside a lifetime of being told that voting is an obligation and part of the social contract, even in the rest of the civilized world where voting is voluntary it's rarely seen as an act of rebellion to not vote.
http://www.simpleliberty.org/tootoa/voting.htm
http://forejustice.org/vote/voting_is_an_act_of_violence.htm |
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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So who would be in government if no one voted!
I read some of Both links
Yeah morons _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Location: Queensland
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What is the alternative? Anarchy? a few years of that and we will have war lords running the place.
I would like to put those imbecile writers into some third world shithole where no-one votes. They can explain these brilliant ideas to those who get tortured, shot, have tanks run over them and raped for suggesting voting/elections/democratic governments are a good idea. _________________ Carlscum 120 years being cheating scum |
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Wokko
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If you genuinely want to know and aren't engaging in hyperbole there are a few books written on the subject.
https://mises.org/library/society-without-government
That article points to a couple of them. I really need to do a lot more reading into it myself so I can give more of an informed reply, but rather than arguing from ignorance I'll point you towards people who seem to know what they're talking about. |
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Side By Side
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Wokko wrote: | If you genuinely want to know and aren't engaging in hyperbole there are a few books written on the subject.
https://mises.org/library/society-without-government
That article points to a couple of them. I really need to do a lot more reading into it myself so I can give more of an informed reply, but rather than arguing from ignorance I'll point you towards people who seem to know what they're talking about. |
great post, love the attitude, cheers _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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This argument depends wholly on the libertarian/anarchistic premise that the state is inherently violent. I don't agree with that at all, and frankly see the idea of it being an act of violence to, say, vote for which local councillor will more effectively collect your recycling to be absurd. So, as a general rule, no, I can't agree.
Of course, elected governments can be responsible for violent acts. I'll use an example you'll fundamentally disagree with, but one with which we're all familiar: Australia's illegal detention of asylum seekers. If we can at least hypothetically consider this an act of violence, does that make the act of voting Liberal at this election an act of violence? I don't think so: those voters are simply operating within the allowed parameters given by the electoral commission. They may be endorsing violence, unwittingly or otherwise, but their act is not violent in of itself.
An interesting alternative might be a dystopian reality show where the losing contestant each week actually gets murdered. Is the act of texting in the name of who you want to see voted out an act of violence? Why or why not? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Location: Queensland
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Simple to understand
Someone sends two thugs with iron bars around to your place
I think you will rapidly grasp the difference between violence and voting _________________ Carlscum 120 years being cheating scum |
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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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You don't have to vote in Australia technically speaking.
You just have to have your name marked off the electoral roll and after that it's up to you on what you do with your ballot paper but I can see the libertarian argument that Wokko is posing however. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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Side By Side
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Jezza wrote: | You don't have to vote in Australia technically speaking.
You just have to have your name marked off the electoral roll and after that it's up to you on what you do with your ballot paper but I can see the libertarian argument that Wokko is posing however. |
Good point! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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David wrote: | An interesting alternative might be a dystopian reality show where the losing contestant each week actually gets murdered. Is the act of texting in the name of who you want to see voted out an act of violence? Why or why not? |
Now that is a good idea. not the text bit though. Cooking rubbish, home renos, UK Ninja warriors (Ninjas don't use rubber mats), singing shows the lot.I think after a year of executions the facebook mob might wake up that it is not so clever.
But to answer your question maybe but what if you text who you want to stay. It is a question of semantics if you name all but one contestant. Perhaps it would be easier if we just killed all the Producers and Executives who allowed it in the first place. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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