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King Monkey
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Ha! The "other" Sunshine Primary School. My kids go to Sunshine Harvester Primary.
BTW, teaching a few grade 5/6's for an hour, does not equate with walking the streets at night. Or even getting a "feel" for the area.
And, a few immigrants placed in the odd Housing Commission flat does not have the same effect as flooding a specific area.
I'm coaching the Under 11's at Sunshine Kangaroos F.C, (formerly Sunshine Y.C.W. F.C.), and it's really disappointing that we don't have more new arrivals involved considering the high numbers that live in the area. We just lost 1 of our only 2 Sudanese kids in our age group because he moved interstate.
There is a Sudanese boy that won the league B&F in the Under 13 premiership team last season, the family have moved to Sunbury but he still plays at Sunshine because of how well they've looked after him over the years.
Getting the kids involved in local sport I believe is a fantastic way to help people feel part of the community and a policy pushing this would help integration and to break down barriers on both sides of the fence.
It's something that seems to be less prevalent now than it was when I was growing up, and it's a shame.
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Not sure why Caulfield should be on the list. There are a hell of a lot of Indians and a lot of overseas students living in some crummy flats around the racecourse and the University. Yes some rich people in Caulfield North but they are mostly jewish and a lot of them are here because they or their parents were refugess from the Nazis.
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King Monkey
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Was plucking a few names of affluent suburbs out there Ronrat.
Where generally speaking (not saying it's 100% the case), opinion doesn't match up with experience and/or perspective.
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| King Monkey wrote: | Ha! The "other" Sunshine Primary School. My kids go to Sunshine Harvester Primary.
BTW, teaching a few grade 5/6's for an hour, does not equate with walking the streets at night. Or even getting a "feel" for the area.
And, a few immigrants placed in the odd Housing Commission flat does not have the same effect as flooding a specific area.
I'm coaching the Under 11's at Sunshine Kangaroos F.C, (formerly Sunshine Y.C.W. F.C.), and it's really disappointing that we don't have more new arrivals involved considering the high numbers that live in the area. We just lost 1 of our only 2 Sudanese kids in our age group because he moved interstate.
There is a Sudanese boy that won the league B&F in the Under 13 premiership team last season, the family have moved to Sunbury but he still plays at Sunshine because of how well they've looked after him over the years.
Getting the kids involved in local sport I believe is a fantastic way to help people feel part of the community and a policy pushing this would help integration and to break down barriers on both sides of the fence.
It's something that seems to be less prevalent now than it was when I was growing up, and it's a shame. |
Great points Monkey!
I don't live there but spend a fair bit of time working - I quite enjoy the colour and diversity but not the carpark and especially not after dusk when security guards are required as escorts!
Man when you see the size of some of the young lads (and the girls for that matter)- you cant help but think how good they would look at CHF, CHB, Ruck etc!
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| David wrote: | Brunswick has social housing blocks like most suburbs in that area, which is where you tend to find a lot of new arrivals. I guess it depends on what part of it you're talking about it's a big suburb. I think Brunswick East is the more gentrified area, whereas West (where I lived a few years back before moving to the apartment off Albion St) is more suburban. It's not the roughest of areas by any means, but that doesn't mean there aren't refugees or new migrants in the suburb.
BTW, I did a one-off teaching gig at Sunshine primary late last year related to my writing course. Very multicultural, as you'd expect, but the kids (Years 5 and 6) were incredibly polite, attentive and intelligent. I was pretty impressed with it, and while I'm sure the suburb has its problems, I left with a very different impression to the one I'd come in with. |
As king monkey said, go back at night, I dare ya!
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King Monkey
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| Morrigu wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | Ha! The "other" Sunshine Primary School. My kids go to Sunshine Harvester Primary.
BTW, teaching a few grade 5/6's for an hour, does not equate with walking the streets at night. Or even getting a "feel" for the area.
And, a few immigrants placed in the odd Housing Commission flat does not have the same effect as flooding a specific area.
I'm coaching the Under 11's at Sunshine Kangaroos F.C, (formerly Sunshine Y.C.W. F.C.), and it's really disappointing that we don't have more new arrivals involved considering the high numbers that live in the area. We just lost 1 of our only 2 Sudanese kids in our age group because he moved interstate.
There is a Sudanese boy that won the league B&F in the Under 13 premiership team last season, the family have moved to Sunbury but he still plays at Sunshine because of how well they've looked after him over the years.
Getting the kids involved in local sport I believe is a fantastic way to help people feel part of the community and a policy pushing this would help integration and to break down barriers on both sides of the fence.
It's something that seems to be less prevalent now than it was when I was growing up, and it's a shame. |
Great points Monkey!
I don't live there but spend a fair bit of time working - I quite enjoy the colour and diversity but not the carpark and especially not after dusk when security guards are required as escorts!
Man when you see the size of some of the young lads (and the girls for that matter)- you cant help but think how good they would look at CHF, CHB, Ruck etc! |
Oh the traffic!!
Shoot me now just thinking about trying to get home from work tomorrow.
At least quite a few of these tall buggers are gravitating to basketball and hang around a fair bit at the Rec Centre. This is a good thing, but when the Rec Centre closes they don't exactly go straight home to bed......
And basketball seems to be more of a sport where the youths get themselves there independantly, less of a family atmosphere.
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| Morrigu wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | Ha! The "other" Sunshine Primary School. My kids go to Sunshine Harvester Primary.
BTW, teaching a few grade 5/6's for an hour, does not equate with walking the streets at night. Or even getting a "feel" for the area.
And, a few immigrants placed in the odd Housing Commission flat does not have the same effect as flooding a specific area.
I'm coaching the Under 11's at Sunshine Kangaroos F.C, (formerly Sunshine Y.C.W. F.C.), and it's really disappointing that we don't have more new arrivals involved considering the high numbers that live in the area. We just lost 1 of our only 2 Sudanese kids in our age group because he moved interstate.
There is a Sudanese boy that won the league B&F in the Under 13 premiership team last season, the family have moved to Sunbury but he still plays at Sunshine because of how well they've looked after him over the years.
Getting the kids involved in local sport I believe is a fantastic way to help people feel part of the community and a policy pushing this would help integration and to break down barriers on both sides of the fence.
It's something that seems to be less prevalent now than it was when I was growing up, and it's a shame. |
Great points Monkey!
I don't live there but spend a fair bit of time working - I quite enjoy the colour and diversity but not the carpark and especially not after dusk when security guards are required as escorts!
Man when you see the size of some of the young lads (and the girls for that matter)- you cant help but think how good they would look at CHF, CHB, Ruck etc! |
Ain't that the truth!
Pa marmos missus works in the emergency department at sunshine, her stories, and not only on night shift, are quite terrifying.
I used to love working in Footscray about 6 years ago as a rep, went to Footscray mall a couple of months back, oh my god, it's so different. Not a good atmosphere at all.
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| King Monkey wrote: | I say house all the new arrivals in Caulfield, Balaclava, Glen Iris, Brighton and Hampton!!
For perspective purposes.
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Nah, you have to be rich enough to vote liberal to live here mate 
There are a few more what look like black Africans as well as a large South Efrican community & many from the former Soviet Union as well as Israelis. The Chinese have just started shifting in as well as Japanese who have been here a while as there is a Japanese school not far from me in South Caulfield.
The most common surname after Smith back when we had white pages in Glenhuntly / Carnegie areas was Patel & that has increased significantly. Lot's of Indians/Pakistani's/ Sri Lankan's etc living in the area,
Upwardly mobile Greeks have been shifting here quite a bit (Maresi).
Lots of younger Anglo Saxons or WASPS's also shifting here to buy their first house - lots of one of pairs here for upwardly mobile professional DINK's. In addition lots of established aged Anglo's living here.
Having said that many of the folk living here like my folks lived in Fitzroy, Brunswick, Carlton in the 40's, 50's & 60's when they were the poorer suburbs of Melbourne (those suburbs became gentrified): most from WW2 and like my folks started with zilch when they arrived. Worked very, very hard & were able to send their children to Uni & were lucky enough get on in life. All ethnic groups tend to live in similar areas for community support, social supports as well as being able to integrate into the wider community.
The City of Glen Eira has a large % of the aged living here.
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| think positive wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | Ha! The "other" Sunshine Primary School. My kids go to Sunshine Harvester Primary.
BTW, teaching a few grade 5/6's for an hour, does not equate with walking the streets at night. Or even getting a "feel" for the area.
And, a few immigrants placed in the odd Housing Commission flat does not have the same effect as flooding a specific area.
I'm coaching the Under 11's at Sunshine Kangaroos F.C, (formerly Sunshine Y.C.W. F.C.), and it's really disappointing that we don't have more new arrivals involved considering the high numbers that live in the area. We just lost 1 of our only 2 Sudanese kids in our age group because he moved interstate.
There is a Sudanese boy that won the league B&F in the Under 13 premiership team last season, the family have moved to Sunbury but he still plays at Sunshine because of how well they've looked after him over the years.
Getting the kids involved in local sport I believe is a fantastic way to help people feel part of the community and a policy pushing this would help integration and to break down barriers on both sides of the fence.
It's something that seems to be less prevalent now than it was when I was growing up, and it's a shame. |
Great points Monkey!
I don't live there but spend a fair bit of time working - I quite enjoy the colour and diversity but not the carpark and especially not after dusk when security guards are required as escorts!
Man when you see the size of some of the young lads (and the girls for that matter)- you cant help but think how good they would look at CHF, CHB, Ruck etc! |
Ain't that the truth!
Pa marmos missus works in the emergency department at sunshine, her stories, and not only on night shift, are quite terrifying.
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I know, the staff at sunshine hospital 
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Good documentary! Thanks for linking it Morrigu 
The tension in Germany has certainly risen in light of the refugee intake last year and the Cologne assaults on New Years Eve. Having an open and unregulated border policy was always going to result in problems and serious backlash, so this expectation that it would be a smooth process is naive at best.
What really got to me though and I think this is what has held Germany back and more importantly most western nations is the old rhetoric that opposing mass unregulated migration or opposing a certain ideology is met with being labelled a "racist" or a "xenophobe" for example.
This "culture of silence" which is noted in the documentary is best demonstrated by those who stifle the discussion at the protest shown in the video at 18:30 when the middle-aged lady is discussing how some parties are "fascist" and "should be banned". This is the very essence as to why right-wing populist movements are gaining increased support.
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King Monkey
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| watt price tully wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | I say house all the new arrivals in Caulfield, Balaclava, Glen Iris, Brighton and Hampton!!
For perspective purposes.
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Nah, you have to be rich enough to vote liberal to live here mate
There are a few more what look like black Africans as well as a large South Efrican community & many from the former Soviet Union as well as Israelis. The Chinese have just started shifting in as well as Japanese who have been here a while as there is a Japanese school not far from me in South Caulfield.
The most common surname after Smith back when we had white pages in Glenhuntly / Carnegie areas was Patel & that has increased significantly. Lot's of Indians/Pakistani's/ Sri Lankan's etc living in the area,
Upwardly mobile Greeks have been shifting here quite a bit (Maresi).
Lots of younger Anglo Saxons or WASPS's also shifting here to buy their first house - lots of one of pairs here for upwardly mobile professional DINK's. In addition lots of established aged Anglo's living here.
Having said that many of the folk living here like my folks lived in Fitzroy, Brunswick, Carlton in the 40's, 50's & 60's when they were the poorer suburbs of Melbourne (those suburbs became gentrified): most from WW2 and like my folks started with zilch when they arrived. Worked very, very hard & were able to send their children to Uni & were lucky enough get on in life. All ethnic groups tend to live in similar areas for community support, social supports as well as being able to integrate into the wider community.
The City of Glen Eira has a large % of the aged living here. |
Ha! So you pick out the one part of my post that was half tongue-in-cheek and go to town on it. Well done.  
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| King Monkey wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | I say house all the new arrivals in Caulfield, Balaclava, Glen Iris, Brighton and Hampton!!
For perspective purposes.
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Nah, you have to be rich enough to vote liberal to live here mate
There are a few more what look like black Africans as well as a large South Efrican community & many from the former Soviet Union as well as Israelis. The Chinese have just started shifting in as well as Japanese who have been here a while as there is a Japanese school not far from me in South Caulfield.
The most common surname after Smith back when we had white pages in Glenhuntly / Carnegie areas was Patel & that has increased significantly. Lot's of Indians/Pakistani's/ Sri Lankan's etc living in the area,
Upwardly mobile Greeks have been shifting here quite a bit (Maresi).
Lots of younger Anglo Saxons or WASPS's also shifting here to buy their first house - lots of one of pairs here for upwardly mobile professional DINK's. In addition lots of established aged Anglo's living here.
Having said that many of the folk living here like my folks lived in Fitzroy, Brunswick, Carlton in the 40's, 50's & 60's when they were the poorer suburbs of Melbourne (those suburbs became gentrified): most from WW2 and like my folks started with zilch when they arrived. Worked very, very hard & were able to send their children to Uni & were lucky enough get on in life. All ethnic groups tend to live in similar areas for community support, social supports as well as being able to integrate into the wider community.
The City of Glen Eira has a large % of the aged living here. |
Ha! So you pick out the one part of my post that was half tongue-in-cheek and go to town on it. Well done. |
Nope. I noted yours was obviously tongue in cheek & commenced my response with a tongue in cheek comment too
However, I chose to provide a fuller picture of the local area in case others were not informed about the area (ronrat gave a limited view of one pot two parts of the neighbourhood if I recall).
You can call it go to town
You can take a harsh view of it
You can take a paranoid view of it
You can try and make a point of it
You can take a more generous view of it
Yu can take a more relaxed attitude to it
You can piss out of a moving train against the wind too -
Your choice.
My my what an absurd angry interpretation? Good golly. Who needs to be put over my shoulder & be burped?
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| Interesting deduction. I can't decide. You pick one. |
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King Monkey
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| watt price tully wrote: |
Having said that many of the folk living here like my folks lived in Fitzroy, Brunswick, Carlton in the 40's, 50's & 60's when they were the poorer suburbs of Melbourne (those suburbs became gentrified): most from WW2 and like my folks started with zilch when they arrived. Worked very, very hard & were able to send their children to Uni & were lucky enough get on in life. All ethnic groups tend to live in similar areas for community support, social supports as well as being able to integrate into the wider community.
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Nope. I noted yours was obviously tongue in cheek & commenced my response with a tongue in cheek comment too
However, I chose to provide a fuller picture of the local area in case others were not informed about the area (ronrat gave a limited view of one pot two parts of the neighbourhood if I recall).
You can call it go to town
You can take a harsh view of it
You can take a paranoid view of it
You can try and make a point of it
You can take a more generous view of it
Yu can take a more relaxed attitude to it
You can piss out of a moving train against the wind too -
Your choice.
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Part 2 - Fair enough, I'll accept that and move on.....
Part 1 - This is the definition of "The Australian Dream", no matter where one was born. This is what makes this country great!!
Unfortunately though, this mindset seems to be lacking in large groups in specific areas.
I don't have any stand out solutions, but something currently isn't working.
Community Leaders having some uncomfortable conversations rather than just stating the latest politically correct cliche might be a good start.
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