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Wokko
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-29/jensen-freedom-of-religion/7123204
A great piece from the ABC of all places about the current soft censorship surrounding values and morals, highlighted by Tony Abbott speaking to a group in the USA that was made to sound in the media like he was attending a KKK rally then going (I'm a dinosaur) bashing in pickup trucks.
Nicks censored me for using a non PC term in an ironical way. |
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pietillidie
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^There's a point there, though I'd express it as follows:
Tony Abbott and the right to dissent from the new reality.
I agree you can believe in whatever clown show takes your fancy, from the author's Anglican religious nonsense, to Muslim nonsense, to union nonsense, to nationalist nonsense, to 'alternative" medical nonsense; go for it.
Just don't expect people to respect others being ignorant, deceitful, inconsistent, intellectually and factually incompetent, unaware of their own knowledge deficits, and such, and hold a role of serious influence in society.
No one would have cared about, say, David Koresh and his whacko ideas if he had spent his days living alone in a cabin in Waco masturbating to evangelical favourites and thinking he was the lamb of god. Respect, man! Go for it! Whatever float yer boat!
Just thinking nonsense is never the problem. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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David
I dare you to try
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As someone who is deeply concerned about the modern left's lack of regard for freedom of speech, I'm also aware of an increasing tactic on the right of conflating criticism and censorship. If there had been high-profile calls for Abbott to not give that speech or demands that the organisation in question be prosecuted for hate crimes, it's likely that I would have agreed with Jensen. But I've heard nothing of the kind; instead, I've seen perfectly reasonable criticisms of this group and what it stands for, and Abbott's poor judgement in associating with them. That's not censorship, soft or otherwise. If you want freedom of speech, you have to be prepared for that speech to be used against you. Respect is good, but it can't be mandated. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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^ while it seems to me that Abbott has been demonised for having conservative views to the point where it feels like bullying (and that may be poetic justice in his case), i can't disagree with your post, David. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Personally I think a back bencher should be spending time working in his electorate, not taking paid gigs including first class air fares to yak to special interest groups overseas.
If he wants to be on the international speaking circuit, cashing in on his status as an ex Prime Minister, great. Resign from politics and go your hardest. You want to stay in politics, do your job. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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think positive
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David wrote: | As someone who is deeply concerned about the modern left's lack of regard for freedom of speech, I'm also aware of an increasing tactic on the right of conflating criticism and censorship. If there had been high-profile calls for Abbott to not give that speech or demands that the organisation in question be prosecuted for hate crimes, it's likely that I would have agreed with Jensen. But I've heard nothing of the kind; instead, I've seen perfectly reasonable criticisms of this group and what it stands for, and Abbott's poor judgement in associating with them. That's not censorship, soft or otherwise. If you want freedom of speech, you have to be prepared for that speech to be used against you. Respect is good, but it can't be mandated. |
The left and right wing are both part of the same bird _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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If I had freedom of speech you have to be prepared for that speech to be used against you what would I do with it? |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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think positive wrote: | David wrote: | As someone who is deeply concerned about the modern left's lack of regard for freedom of speech, I'm also aware of an increasing tactic on the right of conflating criticism and censorship. If there had been high-profile calls for Abbott to not give that speech or demands that the organisation in question be prosecuted for hate crimes, it's likely that I would have agreed with Jensen. But I've heard nothing of the kind; instead, I've seen perfectly reasonable criticisms of this group and what it stands for, and Abbott's poor judgement in associating with them. That's not censorship, soft or otherwise. If you want freedom of speech, you have to be prepared for that speech to be used against you. Respect is good, but it can't be mandated. |
The left and right wing are both part of the same bird |
and those birds who rely on just one of them fly in ever diminishing circles. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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think positive
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stui magpie wrote: | think positive wrote: | David wrote: | As someone who is deeply concerned about the modern left's lack of regard for freedom of speech, I'm also aware of an increasing tactic on the right of conflating criticism and censorship. If there had been high-profile calls for Abbott to not give that speech or demands that the organisation in question be prosecuted for hate crimes, it's likely that I would have agreed with Jensen. But I've heard nothing of the kind; instead, I've seen perfectly reasonable criticisms of this group and what it stands for, and Abbott's poor judgement in associating with them. That's not censorship, soft or otherwise. If you want freedom of speech, you have to be prepared for that speech to be used against you. Respect is good, but it can't be mandated. |
The left and right wing are both part of the same bird |
and those birds who rely on just one of them fly in ever diminishing circles. |
True that
For birds too _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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stui magpie wrote: | Personally I think a back bencher should be spending time working in his electorate, not taking paid gigs including first class air fares to yak to special interest groups overseas.
If he wants to be on the international speaking circuit, cashing in on his status as an ex Prime Minister, great. Resign from politics and go your hardest. You want to stay in politics, do your job. |
I don't mind it, so long as taxpayers aren't being charged for the trip. If people want to hear him speak, that's fine with me. Speeches like this are one of the few times that we get to hear what politicians actually (sort of) think. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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pietillidie
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Also, don't forget these things are subject to irrelevant magnification: Trvial group x opposes trivial speaker y and most humans don't give a flying fek. The level of oppression and censorship is usually akin to braving the flies at a BBQ. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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3.14159
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think positive wrote: |
The left and right wing are both part of the same bird |
...are you sure about that?
(personally I think it's just another pithy true(ish)ISM that people trot out to save themselves the bother of thinking about issues!) |
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think positive
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3.14159 wrote: | think positive wrote: |
The left and right wing are both part of the same bird |
...are you sure about that?
(personally I think it's just another pithy true(ish)ISM that people trot out to save themselves the bother of thinking about issues!) |
Actually I copied it from Facebook _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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3.14159
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LOL! Good for you Jo.
My personal position on all this is why bother arguing the toss with a tosser in a twisted Toupee, it's a total waste of time! |
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3.14159
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" I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters!"
There's no agruing that one!!! |
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