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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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Post subject: Bold trade: Jack Frost & Paul Seedsman for Aish! | |
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Lets take away that initial Pies hubris and emotion. The Lions are a revolving door of player discontent for years namely:
* Yeo
* Karnezis (ok slight exaggeration)
* Docherty
* Polec
* Patfull
* Longer
* Crisp
* Brennan
* Ritschichelli
* Bradshaw
* Corrie (yes that's a stretch)
plus soon to be:
* Redden
* Leuenberger
* Aish etc...
So they need to win a PR battle in the "player attraction stakes" and as such players like Seedsman and J Frost would fit an age, structural and culture profile with the Brisbane Lions.
Frost: let's be really really honest. Is there room for 4 low ball getters and awkward disposers of the pill (Marley, Brown, Toovey) in one backline? He would command a solid second round draft pick.
With Reid , Marsh and Brown available Frost may be surplus to genuine requirements and he won't get any better in terms of skills and ball usage.
Seedsman:: his good is good and his poor is horrible. As I say to my mates he was pick 76 for a reason. His speed, long range kicking and passion for the Pies is undoubted however his handball, fumbling tendencies and poor ball usage when in close is a major hindrance. Like a good share he would easily command a solid second round draft pick based on "outside list manager assessment".
The above saves our draft picks for Treloar, another player or a good draft selection Ultimately we need talent with sure foot skills. _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum |
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MOTR
Joined: 25 Apr 2003
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Don't we have a generic thread for these random trade musings? _________________ Be Staunch, Be Proud, Be Collingwood |
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Location: Queensland
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Why the **** would Frost and Seedsman want to go to Brisbane if it is as bad as you suggest _________________ Carlscum 120 years being cheating scum |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Way Overs - Lions would have to add Something Else into the Trade _________________ I am Da Man |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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You are not very polite. |
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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And what then happens to our backline in the unlikely event that Reid gets injured for a lengthy period.
I'm happy to pick up Aish but I at least want to feel as though we have paid market value at worst, not overs. |
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themonk
Joined: 02 Mar 2004
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Post subject: Re: Bold trade: Jack Frost & Paul Seedsman for Aish! | |
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inxs88 wrote: | Lets take away that initial Pies hubris and emotion. The Lions are a revolving door of player discontent for years namely:
* Yeo
* Karnezis (ok slight exaggeration)
* Docherty
* Polec
* Patfull
* Longer
* Crisp
* Brennan
* Ritschichelli
* Bradshaw
* Corrie (yes that's a stretch)
plus soon to be:
* Redden
* Leuenberger
* Aish etc...
So they need to win a PR battle in the "player attraction stakes" and as such players like Seedsman and J Frost would fit an age, structural and culture profile with the Brisbane Lions.
Frost: let's be really really honest. Is there room for 4 low ball getters and awkward disposers of the pill (Marley, Brown, Toovey) in one backline? He would command a solid second round draft pick.
With Reid , Marsh and Brown available Frost may be surplus to genuine requirements and he won't get any better in terms of skills and ball usage.
Seedsman:: his good is good and his poor is horrible. As I say to my mates he was pick 76 for a reason. His speed, long range kicking and passion for the Pies is undoubted however his handball, fumbling tendencies and poor ball usage when in close is a major hindrance. Like a good share he would easily command a solid second round draft pick based on "outside list manager assessment".
The above saves our draft picks for Treloar, another player or a good draft selection Ultimately we need talent with sure foot skills. |
Crazy post, Seedsman & 2nd is adequate.
Also, Frost is a rookie? |
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Neil Appleby
Joined: 11 Feb 1998 Location: Melbourne
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Why so little respect for Frosty? He's been our most consistent defender over the last two years. He's a complete team player who sacrifices his own game for his team mates. There are those here on Nick's who are critical of his kicking; sure he doesn't get a lot of it and when he does he's more likely to dish off, but he is a reasonably good user of the ball in my opinion. Yep, just checked that and rather surprisingly, he ranks at number 6 in the AFL for av. disposal effectiveness per game at 87.33%.
There's no way this boy is going to be traded away. _________________ After the epic draw comes the decisive knockout!
Collingwood rules the world again and Mick Malthouse fulfils his destiny with the twenty ten premiership and can you hear the people sing! |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Pretty soon. |
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Dangles
Balmey Army
Joined: 14 May 2015
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I wouldn't give them Frost for Aish. |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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Marley wins enough of the ball. You have some argument with Frost, Brown, Toovey together. But Toovey is 28-29 and won't be around, or at least a permanent fixture, for too much longer.
Trading a KPD for a young mid isn't a good idea. Adding another young runner to the deal makes it worse. We don't need to keep our draft picks. They have much less value to us now than players ready to contribute now do. Trading Frost would be a step backwards, trading two players in or around our best 22 for one player would also be a step backwards. _________________ Well done boys! |
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Dangles
Balmey Army
Joined: 14 May 2015
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AN_Inkling wrote: | Marley wins enough of the ball. You have some argument with Frost, Brown, Toovey together. But Toovey is 28-29 and won't be around, or at least a permanent fixture, for too much longer.
Trading a KPD for a young mid isn't a good idea. Adding another young runner to the deal makes it worse. We don't need to keep our draft picks. They have much less value to us now than players ready to contribute now do. Trading Frost would be a step backwards, trading two players in or around our best 22 for one player would also be a step backwards. |
Agree. Let's just get Treloar for our first rounder and some steak knives and then it's full steam ahead. |
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Neil Appleby
Joined: 11 Feb 1998 Location: Melbourne
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DP _________________ After the epic draw comes the decisive knockout!
Collingwood rules the world again and Mick Malthouse fulfils his destiny with the twenty ten premiership and can you hear the people sing! |
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009 Location: On a journey to seek the scriptures of enlightenment....
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Dangles wrote: | I wouldn't give them Frost for Aish. |
This. _________________ "I am a great sage, equal of heaven.
Grow stick, grow.
Fly cloud, fly.
Oh you are a dee-mon, I love to fiiight." |
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Mossi
Joined: 20 May 2002 Location: Vittorio Veneto TV Italy
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Neil Appleby wrote: | Why so little respect for Frosty? He's been our most consistent defender over the last two years. He's a complete team player who sacrifices his own game for his team mates. There are those here on Nick's who are critical of his kicking; sure he doesn't get a lot of it and when he does he's more likely to dish off, but he is a reasonably good user of the ball in my opinion. Yep, just checked that and rather surprisingly, he ranks at number 6 in the AFL for av. disposal effectiveness per game at 87.33%.
There's no way this boy is going to be traded away. |
Spot on Neil a lot of these posters base their ideas on spontaneous thoughts without facts or understanding of players roles, just for a solution. In my book Frosty is one of the best defenders going around a keeeper. |
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