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burnsy17
Joined: 10 Aug 2003
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Our great white hope in the ruck started off like a house on fire in his debut season but for mine hasnt progressed anywhere near expected.
He makes really poor decisions and no longer leaps at centre bounces. He also seems to have lost his aggression. He cant take a mark to save himself.
Is a ruck coach employed by the club?
Is it between his ears?
Is he just not that good?
Do we consider trading him??!! _________________ Beware the swooping Magpie. |
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simon tonna
Joined: 24 Oct 2013 Location: carindale
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I have my concerns also. and like you say what has happened to his progression to date. when Grundy arrived he flew out of the blocks and DTM suggested we sign him on a ten year contract and I felt that was a strong consideration for all concerned. atm he seems uncoordinated and unathletic but I will put that down to youth but it doesn't explain why he's gone backwards. _________________ no second chances |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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his reaction time seems to be a bit off. often he will want to do something which appears sensible but by the time he gets around to doing it he causes a turnover. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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Gee. That's not my perception of Grundy. I think Grundy is developing very well, given his age and number of games. What other ruckman the same age as Grundy is performing any better? |
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Dangles
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Joined: 14 May 2015
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He's only played 39 games and according to Footywire the majority of his career high stats have happened this year which suggests he's improving.
But with Big Cox coming along so well in the twos and Darcy Moore looking like a competent future back up ruckman I'm finally open to the idea of trading either Witts or Grundy if we get a decent offer. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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I have been worried about Grundy for a while now.
And yes I know it may take another year or 2 for the big guy to develop fully.
But, there are certain attributes where no progress has been made:
1. His forward work is poor - 7 goals this year from 17 matches, he doesn't lead well, he can't take a pack mark and he is slow getting ball to boot and slow in general.
His ruck work isn't bad but he often leaps too soon, he is not a tap ruckman and he has been beaten for certain periods of time in the ruck this year.
I also think that his natural aggression has gone missing since he burst on the scene in 2013.
His work around the ground is still good but this was the area where he looked good in 2013 and it is still the only area of his game that still looks good. Nothing else has changed.
Still early days but things don't look as bright as in 2013. _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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Dangles wrote: | He's only played 39 games and according to Footywire the majority of his career high stats have happened this year which suggests he's improving.
But with Big Cox coming along so well in the twos and Darcy Moore looking like a competent future back up ruckman I'm finally open to the idea of trading either Witts or Grundy if we get a decent offer. |
let's not get too carried away with cox. even allowing for a couple of solid performances he still has some way to go. i wouldn't be trading either grundy or witts. _________________ Purveyor of sanctimonious twaddle. |
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Darkstranger
Joined: 06 Jun 2012
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Been thinking about this as well, seems like both our "young gun" ruckmen cannot take a pack mark & dominate around the centre bounce & ground. The ruck (see Nic Nat, Goldstein & Freo giant to name a few) shows how important it is to get first use of the ball and lessen the pressure off the backline.
It also begs the question - who the hell is our ruck coach these days?????? _________________ There is Collingwood and then the rest. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Darkstranger wrote: | Been thinking about this as well, seems like both our "young gun" ruckmen cannot take a pack mark & dominate around the centre bounce & ground. The ruck (see Nic Nat, Goldstein & Freo giant to name a few) shows how important it is to get first use of the ball and lessen the pressure off the backline.
It also begs the question - who the hell is our ruck coach these days?????? |
Nic Nat is just friggin amazing. Given his body shape I don't think he will last long in the game. But at the moment he is fantastic to watch! _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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Dangles
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Joined: 14 May 2015
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Darkstranger wrote: |
It also begs the question - who the hell is our ruck coach these days?????? |
Can we get Crackers Keating? He was a ripper big game specialist. |
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SwansWay
Joined: 13 May 2015
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You're not giving him much of a chance. I mean he's 21 and we've seen what he can do at his best. He's out-of-form sure, but you can't turn over the list whenever a player has a string of average games. I don't think he's played THAT badly, just a little down from where he was. His groundwork and second efforts are pretty good. Todd Goldstein is 27 and it's only been in the last couple of years that he's become one of the premier ruckmen in the league. Doesn't happen overnight. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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SwansWay wrote: | You're not giving him much of a chance. I mean he's 21 and we've seen what he can do at his best. He's out-of-form sure, but you can't turn over the list whenever a player has a string of average games. I don't think he's played THAT badly, just a little down from where he was. His groundwork and second efforts are pretty good. Todd Goldstein is 27 and it's only been in the last couple of years that he's become one of the premier ruckmen in the league. Doesn't happen overnight. |
What you say is completely true but it is the lack of ANY advancement in a number of key areas is what worries me. _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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themonk
Joined: 02 Mar 2004
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John Wren wrote: | Dangles wrote: | He's only played 39 games and according to Footywire the majority of his career high stats have happened this year which suggests he's improving.
But with Big Cox coming along so well in the twos and Darcy Moore looking like a competent future back up ruckman I'm finally open to the idea of trading either Witts or Grundy if we get a decent offer. |
let's not get too carried away with cox. even allowing for a couple of solid performances he still has some way to go. i wouldn't be trading either grundy or witts. |
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Stupied
Joined: 14 Mar 2013
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thompsoc wrote: | SwansWay wrote: | You're not giving him much of a chance. I mean he's 21 and we've seen what he can do at his best. He's out-of-form sure, but you can't turn over the list whenever a player has a string of average games. I don't think he's played THAT badly, just a little down from where he was. His groundwork and second efforts are pretty good. Todd Goldstein is 27 and it's only been in the last couple of years that he's become one of the premier ruckmen in the league. Doesn't happen overnight. |
What you say is completely true but it is the lack of ANY advancement in a number of key areas is what worries me. |
Lack of advancement? He's having career high averages in Disposals, hitouts, marks, goals, and tackles this year. I know that supercoach scores can be decieving too, but fwiw, he's averaging over 90 points per game this year.
I'm honestly not sure what more we could possibly expect from a 21 year old ruckman... |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Neither Witts or Grundy are good marks. This is a major flaw. |
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