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Dave The Man wrote: | Nice to have a Mid who can use the Ball well |
I'm sure we can fix that pretty quick _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Pies4shaw
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Watching the team yesterday, I get the feeling that, aside from a genuine burst of speed and a few targets to kick to, there isn't really much improvement needed in the mid-field (158 disposals from our first 6 mid-fielders yesterday) and that it will be easy enough to fill that role. Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Swan, Adams, Crisp, Greenwood and Varcoe is a solid bunch, with De Goey, Broomhead and possibly Freeman and Kennedy capable of rounding that out to a high quality 8. Of course, a couple will retire over the next couple of years but the world is full of mids and they are not too difficult to replace (as evidenced by the fact that we already have picked up Adams, Crisp, Greenwood, Varcoe, De Goey, Broomhead, Freeman and Kennedy since 2012).
What we need is one additional KPF for each end of the ground for the long-term. Moore could be one of two up forward and Cloke, in the short-term could be the other. At the other end of the ground, Brown is a lock and Frost is doing well at the moment - and, in any event, it isn't that hard to draft key defenders (provided you actually look). The question, really, is how do we prepare for life without Cloke, who has - of course - been a colossus for Collingwood almost week in, week out for a decade.
Not for the first time this season (the games against Hawthorn and Port Adelaide were even more pertinent examples), Collingwood lost because it's forward line lacks class. 58 inside 50s for 7 goals is, quite frankly, not an acceptable return and, once again, we were presented with a team experiencing long periods of dominance (especially in the third quarter) that could barely trouble the scorers.
I don't think the focus on Treloar is apt, in those circumstances and I hope the Club does this deal only because it is a comfortable one and not at the expense of giving up difficult-to-replace players, like ruckmen and KPFs. |
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Darkstranger
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I might be banging on about this every time but we need 2 mid to tall running skilful defenders! _________________ There is Collingwood and then the rest. |
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Location: Queensland
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Darkstranger wrote: | I might be banging on about this every time but we need 2 mid to tall running skilful defenders! |
If we get two mid to tall running skillful players they wont play in defence
mid and forward far more likely. If we can recruit enough tall fast skillful players then the excess will play in defence _________________ Carlscum 120 years being cheating scum |
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Dangles
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How about swapping first round draft picks with GWS and giving them Langdon for Treloar? |
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Boot
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Treloar to Collingwood is a done deal. Just a matter of what we give up for him. What chance of GWS accepting Seedsman and our first round draft pick? Unlikely...since these days you have to give up talent to get talent. At this point in time I would try to work the deal to trade Ben Reid for Treloar. GWS need a class KPD and Reid still has some currency. Collingwood has Brown and Frost as KPD's with Marsh and potentially Moore as back-up.
Then we retain our first pick in the draft to use on Sam Weideman who we desperately need for succession planning on Cloke.
The reason Collingwood need Treloar is because he is going to be an A grader and we need to find a replacement for an ageing Dane Swan.
If GWS play hard ball then forget it, and spend the money on Charlie Dixon to replace Jessie White. _________________ Collingwood Domination. Envy of the Nation! |
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Dangles
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Boot wrote: | Treloar to Collingwood is a done deal. Just a matter of what we give up for him. What chance of GWS accepting Seedsman and our first round draft pick? Unlikely...since these days you have to give up talent to get talent. At this point in time I would try to work the deal to trade Ben Reid for Treloar. GWS need a class KPD and Reid still has some currency. Collingwood has Brown and Frost as KPD's with Marsh and potentially Moore as back-up.
Then we retain our first pick in the draft to use on Sam Weideman who we desperately need for succession planning on Cloke.
The reason Collingwood need Treloar is because he is going to be an A grader and we need to find a replacement for an ageing Dane Swan.
If GWS play hard ball then forget it, and spend the money on Charlie Dixon to replace Jessie White. |
If we want to do that then we need to make sure Reid gets back into the seniors and strings half a dozen games together before season's end. If he continues to just come in and out of the reserves then he won't be worth much at all. |
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Domesticated_Ape
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GWS don't want players. Their salary cap is tight and they need extra picks to cover their academy kids.
Trading Langdon would be crazy anyway and an injured Ben Reid isn't worth much at all, even if he plays the last 5 rounds. There's also the issue of his salary and the fact that we'd have to pay some of it. May as well keep him.
Charlie Dixon is an injury prone alcoholic, pass. |
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Domesticated_Ape
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Watching the team yesterday, I get the feeling that, aside from a genuine burst of speed and a few targets to kick to, there isn't really much improvement needed in the mid-field (158 disposals from our first 6 mid-fielders yesterday) and that it will be easy enough to fill that role. Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Swan, Adams, Crisp, Greenwood and Varcoe is a solid bunch, with De Goey, Broomhead and possibly Freeman and Kennedy capable of rounding that out to a high quality 8. Of course, a couple will retire over the next couple of years but the world is full of mids and they are not too difficult to replace (as evidenced by the fact that we already have picked up Adams, Crisp, Greenwood, Varcoe, De Goey, Broomhead, Freeman and Kennedy since 2012).
What we need is one additional KPF for each end of the ground for the long-term. Moore could be one of two up forward and Cloke, in the short-term could be the other. At the other end of the ground, Brown is a lock and Frost is doing well at the moment - and, in any event, it isn't that hard to draft key defenders (provided you actually look). The question, really, is how do we prepare for life without Cloke, who has - of course - been a colossus for Collingwood almost week in, week out for a decade.
Not for the first time this season (the games against Hawthorn and Port Adelaide were even more pertinent examples), Collingwood lost because it's forward line lacks class. 58 inside 50s for 7 goals is, quite frankly, not an acceptable return and, once again, we were presented with a team experiencing long periods of dominance (especially in the third quarter) that could barely trouble the scorers.
I don't think the focus on Treloar is apt, in those circumstances and I hope the Club does this deal only because it is a comfortable one and not at the expense of giving up difficult-to-replace players, like ruckmen and KPFs. |
I agree we need a young key forward, but we have to be realistic about who's actually gettable. There aren't many quality key forwards in the AFL, let alone guys who are going to change clubs this season.
Looking over the entire competition, here are the key forwards who are worth talking about -
Adelaide - Tex Walker - Captain, wont leave.
Josh Jenkins - Left Essendon to go back home to SA.
Tom Lynch - Meh
Brisbane - Nothing
Carlton - Nothing
Essendon - Joe Daniher - Father/son, wont leave.
Jack Carlise - Is a defender, not a forward.
Fremantle - Pavlich - Captain and too old for our needs.
Geelong - Hawkins - Father/son, signed new contract.
Mitch Clark - Depression and chose not to come to us last year.
Gold Coast - Charlie Dixon - See above
Tom Lynch - Great young player, but seems very happy up north.
Peter Wright - First year player who we could have drafted instead of De Gooey. Wont leave this year.
GWS - Jeremy Cameron - Signed a new deal, seems happy in orange.
Cam McCarthy - Could have him instead of Freeman. Seems happy in orange and is a WA boy.
Jon Patton - Knee recos make him too risky.
Hawthorn - Jarryd Roughead - Will never leave.
Jack Gunstun - Will never leave.
Tim O'Brien - Could have him instead of Kennedy/Broomhead. Unlikely to leave.
Melbourne - Jesse Hogan - Unlikely to leave. WA boy anyway.
North Melbourne - Nothing
Port Adelaide - Jay Shulz - Wont leave, probably too old.
John Butcher - Can't kick, not fit enough, not really worth talking about.
Richmond - Jack Riewoldt - Just signed a new deal, tiger for life.
Tyrone Vickery - Injury and suspension prone. Asking price in a trade would be high.
Ben Griffiths - Unlikely to leave, but worth keeping an eye on if Tyrone stays.
St.Kilda - Nick Riewoldt - Captain, too old.
Paddy McCartin - Number 1 pick, unlikely to leave.
Sydney - Buddy -lol
Kurt Tippett - Would probably be gettable, but at a really high price.
Sam Reid - Injury prone and kicking is as bad as Cloke's.
West Coast - Josh Kennedy - Not going anywhere.
Jack Darling - Not going anywhere.
Jeremy McGovern - Played CHB this season, but thinks of himself as a forward. Ripping mark, not sure about his set shot kicking. Probably wouldn't leave.
Bulldogs - Jake Stringer - Not going anywhere anytime soon.
Tom Boyd - lol.
Guys in bold could be possibilities to leave their clubs in 2015, but none would be cheap and none stand out as players who would absolutely make us better as they all have questions marks over them.
I much prefer the idea of keeping our first round pick and trying to grab a young key forward like Weideman in the draft. And if we can bring Treloar in to complete our midfield, then all the better. |
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RudeBoy
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Our problem is we need both Treloar and Weideman, but unless we off load a really quality player I can't see us landing both. The rumours suggest we're in the box seat to land Treloar, which I'm excited to hear, but for the love of God (even from me the atheist) I'll spew if I have to see Weideman line up in other colours, as we allowed Liam Picken to do. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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RudeBoy wrote: | Our problem is we need both Treloar and Weideman, but unless we off load a really quality player I can't see us landing both. The rumours suggest we're in the box seat to land Treloar, which I'm excited to hear, but for the love of God (even from me the atheist) I'll spew if I have to see Weideman line up in other colours, as we allowed Liam Picken to do. |
Unless we Trade a Star or the Treloar trade fall thru.
You have to prepare to do that _________________ I am Da Man |
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5150
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Domesticated_Ape wrote: | Pies4shaw wrote: | Watching the team yesterday, I get the feeling that, aside from a genuine burst of speed and a few targets to kick to, there isn't really much improvement needed in the mid-field (158 disposals from our first 6 mid-fielders yesterday) and that it will be easy enough to fill that role. Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Swan, Adams, Crisp, Greenwood and Varcoe is a solid bunch, with De Goey, Broomhead and possibly Freeman and Kennedy capable of rounding that out to a high quality 8. Of course, a couple will retire over the next couple of years but the world is full of mids and they are not too difficult to replace (as evidenced by the fact that we already have picked up Adams, Crisp, Greenwood, Varcoe, De Goey, Broomhead, Freeman and Kennedy since 2012).
What we need is one additional KPF for each end of the ground for the long-term. Moore could be one of two up forward and Cloke, in the short-term could be the other. At the other end of the ground, Brown is a lock and Frost is doing well at the moment - and, in any event, it isn't that hard to draft key defenders (provided you actually look). The question, really, is how do we prepare for life without Cloke, who has - of course - been a colossus for Collingwood almost week in, week out for a decade.
Not for the first time this season (the games against Hawthorn and Port Adelaide were even more pertinent examples), Collingwood lost because it's forward line lacks class. 58 inside 50s for 7 goals is, quite frankly, not an acceptable return and, once again, we were presented with a team experiencing long periods of dominance (especially in the third quarter) that could barely trouble the scorers.
I don't think the focus on Treloar is apt, in those circumstances and I hope the Club does this deal only because it is a comfortable one and not at the expense of giving up difficult-to-replace players, like ruckmen and KPFs. |
I agree we need a young key forward, but we have to be realistic about who's actually gettable. There aren't many quality key forwards in the AFL, let alone guys who are going to change clubs this season.
Looking over the entire competition, here are the key forwards who are worth talking about -
Adelaide - Tex Walker - Captain, wont leave.
Josh Jenkins - Left Essendon to go back home to SA.
Tom Lynch - Meh
Brisbane - Nothing
Carlton - Nothing
Essendon - Joe Daniher - Father/son, wont leave.
Jack Carlise - Is a defender, not a forward.
Fremantle - Pavlich - Captain and too old for our needs.
Geelong - Hawkins - Father/son, signed new contract.
Mitch Clark - Depression and chose not to come to us last year.
Gold Coast - Charlie Dixon - See above
Tom Lynch - Great young player, but seems very happy up north.
Peter Wright - First year player who we could have drafted instead of De Gooey. Wont leave this year.
GWS - Jeremy Cameron - Signed a new deal, seems happy in orange.
Cam McCarthy - Could have him instead of Freeman. Seems happy in orange and is a WA boy.
Jon Patton - Knee recos make him too risky.
Hawthorn - Jarryd Roughead - Will never leave.
Jack Gunstun - Will never leave.
Tim O'Brien - Could have him instead of Kennedy/Broomhead. Unlikely to leave.
Melbourne - Jesse Hogan - Unlikely to leave. WA boy anyway.
North Melbourne - Nothing
Port Adelaide - Jay Shulz - Wont leave, probably too old.
John Butcher - Can't kick, not fit enough, not really worth talking about.
Richmond - Jack Riewoldt - Just signed a new deal, tiger for life.
Tyrone Vickery - Injury and suspension prone. Asking price in a trade would be high.
Ben Griffiths - Unlikely to leave, but worth keeping an eye on if Tyrone stays.
St.Kilda - Nick Riewoldt - Captain, too old.
Paddy McCartin - Number 1 pick, unlikely to leave.
Sydney - Buddy -lol
Kurt Tippett - Would probably be gettable, but at a really high price.
Sam Reid - Injury prone and kicking is as bad as Cloke's.
West Coast - Josh Kennedy - Not going anywhere.
Jack Darling - Not going anywhere.
Jeremy McGovern - Played CHB this season, but thinks of himself as a forward. Ripping mark, not sure about his set shot kicking. Probably wouldn't leave.
Bulldogs - Jake Stringer - Not going anywhere anytime soon.
Tom Boyd - lol.
Guys in bold could be possibilities to leave their clubs in 2015, but none would be cheap and none stand out as players who would absolutely make us better as they all have questions marks over them.
I much prefer the idea of keeping our first round pick and trying to grab a young key forward like Weideman in the draft. And if we can bring Treloar in to complete our midfield, then all the better. |
Charlie Dixon has depression? didn't know that. |
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Dangles
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Domesticated_Ape wrote: |
Trading Langdon would be crazy anyway and an injured Ben Reid isn't worth much at all, even if he plays the last 5 rounds. There's also the issue of his salary and the fact that we'd have to pay some of it. May as well keep him.
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Why would trading Langdon be crazy if we got Treloar in return? Who do you think we could give them for Treloar? Our first round pick and some steak knives? |
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Domesticated_Ape
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5150 wrote: | Charlie Dixon has depression? didn't know that. |
Maybe he does.
But I meant see above to my other post. He's injury prone and an alcoholic. |
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Domesticated_Ape
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Dangles wrote: | Domesticated_Ape wrote: |
Trading Langdon would be crazy anyway and an injured Ben Reid isn't worth much at all, even if he plays the last 5 rounds. There's also the issue of his salary and the fact that we'd have to pay some of it. May as well keep him.
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Why would trading Langdon be crazy if we got Treloar in return? Who do you think we could give them for Treloar? Our first round pick and some steak knives? |
I believe we can package our draft picks together because as I said previously in this thread and couple of times, GWS want draft picks that they can cash in for points to use on their academy kids.
I reckon 2 second rounders and a third and fourth from this year and our first rounder from next year is enough points. That means we need to trade a player for another second round pick and we get to keep our first rounder this year for Weidemen, but give up our first from next year.
Of course Hine might not rate the Weed, or might rate next years draft more, so it could end up being our first rounder this year instead.
Edit - Trading Langdon is crazy because he's awesome and there are ways around it, many different ways. |
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