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Bucks5
Nicky D - Parting the red sea
Joined: 23 Mar 2002
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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If they want to start that crap, Port Adelaide will be out in front so far it's scary. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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Leave it as it is. In fact if they are determined to rewrite history take the last scum flag off them for salary cap cheating. That might change the cheating Fitzpatrick and his mates mind set. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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Piesnchess
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This idea is just so warped, its insane, no way can flags be added up from the old vfa and the League now, that dipstick farrker Fitzpatrick, a scum shit head, must be stopped from this ludicrous crap move. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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The funniest thing about this is the headline: "History of the AFL could be turned on its head". Um, no, the history would remain exactly the same. The AFL would simply be arbritarily shifting the goalposts in an extremely mundane way. Carlton will be able to say they have 22 premierships ... except, they already can do that if they like. What will have changed, really? Will Bruce mention it during the commentary at some point?
Should they? Personally, I don't mind either way. In some ways I've always seen the current competition as a natural extension of the old pre-1897 VFA and perhaps even the looser competition that existed before that. In some respects, counting a flag won in 1877 makes about as much sense as counting one from 1905, given the way the game has changed since. Obviously teams like Hawthorn and Port Adelaide would be annoyed about their histories not 'officially' counting, but it's fair enough for them to miss out: the roots of the current AFL lie clearly in the VFL and original VFA; not the SANFL, WAFL or VFA post-1896.
Anyway, it's all just symbolism, and fairly abstract symbolism at that. But I don't think it would be such a bad thing. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Collingwood Crackerjack
Joined: 28 Jul 2008 Location: Canberra
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Damien
Me Noah & Flynn @ the G
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Well with FitzPatrick in charge you'd reckon its a cert.
Let them get a bit of historical pleasure. God knows they are getting anything at present or in the foreseeable future.
Anyway it really should start at 1990 which makes us the inaugural Premiers.
All the other local comps should just keep their own histories. _________________ 'Collingwood are the Bradmans of Football'
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TK
Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Location: Singleton
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Worse still we lose our boast that we are the only team to win 4 in row as Essendon did in 1891 - 1894 - Doh
Anyway I think it should be only back dated to official Premierships from Grand Finals - 1896 being the first and Essendon stipped of its 1897 & 1924 flags as they were round robin games!!!!
So My tally works out to Be Collingwood & Carlton 16 and Essendon 14
Get some of that Fitzy _________________ "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the courage to do what is right in the face of it...." |
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Pies4shaw
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Damien wrote: | Well with FitzPatrick in charge you'd reckon its a cert.
Let them get a bit of historical pleasure. God knows they are getting anything at present or in the foreseeable future.
Anyway it really should start at 1990 which makes us the inaugural Premiers.
All the other local comps should just keep their own histories. |
My 1990 premiership T-shirt actually says something like: "Collingwood - First AFL premiers". |
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if nothing else, what this mass-debate about where you start counting highlights just how meaningless it is even today to claim superiority over the number of flags you have won!!!!
If anything, the fact that Mike Fitzpatrick could in effect change history by simply saying it a different way, invalidates the existing status quo. _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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AssHole and Shows that Carlton run the AFL _________________ I am Da Man |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Pies4shaw wrote: | Damien wrote: | Well with FitzPatrick in charge you'd reckon its a cert.
Let them get a bit of historical pleasure. God knows they are getting anything at present or in the foreseeable future.
Anyway it really should start at 1990 which makes us the inaugural Premiers.
All the other local comps should just keep their own histories. |
My 1990 premiership T-shirt actually says something like: "Collingwood - First AFL premiers". |
Make a Good Point.
Before that it was just a Local Victoria League and the AFL is the National League _________________ I am Da Man |
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taff wa
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This is bullshit, if they want to incorporate VFA premierships the non Victorian clubs may well have a case to include wafl and sanfl flags into the history particularly port Adelaide. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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You don't say. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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taff wa wrote: | This is bullshit, if they want to incorporate VFA premierships the non Victorian clubs may well have a case to include wafl and sanfl flags into the history particularly port Adelaide. |
Have to Count teams like Port Melbourne and Williamstown _________________ I am Da Man |
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