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Kingsofclutch
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My favourite obscure stat:
Collingwood has headed the premiership table (ie had the most premierships at any given time) longer than the other 17 clubs all put together.
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rambler
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| David wrote: | | .People who know their early Collingwood history will know how much of a villain Minogue was seen as by supporters after turning his back on the club after World War I. |
According to Glenn McFarlanes' fantastic bio of Jock McHale, Jock was dirty on Minogue for switching to Richmond and never forgave him. (On the flipside to that, Minogue was a war hero and their were some rumblings at the time that Jock being a staunch Irish Catholic and anti-English avoided the war for personal political reasons) |
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Nice work. What about all the other current AFL coaches? Is there a link there for all of them? |
Can certainly have a crack!
Adelaide: Matthew Nicks: Rodney Eade (Sydney, 1996–2002) --> John Kennedy Sr (Hawthorn, 1976) --> Jack Hale (Hawthorn, 1952–1959) --> Dan Minogue (Carlton, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Brisbane: Chris Fagan: Mal Pascoe (Hobart, 1978–1979) --> Dick Reynolds (Essendon, 1953–1958) --> Jack Baggott (Essendon, 1936–1939) --> Checker Hughes (Richmond, 1927–1932) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1920–1923) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Carlton: Michael Voss: Robert Walls (Brisbane, 1992–1995) --> John Nicholls (Carlton, 1972–1975) --> Ken Hands (Carlton, 1959–1964) --> Perce Bentley (Carlton, 1945–1955) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1925) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Collingwood: Craig McRae: Leigh Matthews (Brisbane, 1999–2004) --> Allan Jeans (Hawthorn, 1981–1985) --> Jim Francis (St Kilda, 1959) --> Bill Twomey (Hawthorn, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1918–1922)
Essendon: Brad Scott: Ken Judge (Hawthorn, 1997) --> Allan Jeans (Hawthorn, 1983–1986) --> Jim Francis (St Kilda, 1959) --> Bill Twomey (Hawthorn, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1918–1922)
Fremantle: Justin Longmuir: Damian Drum (Fremantle, 1999–2001) --> Bill Goggin (Geelong, 1982) --> Bob Davis (Geelong, 1960–1965) --> Reg Hickey (Geelong, 1949–1958) --> Charlie Dibbs (Geelong, 1936) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1924–1935)
Geelong: Chris Scott: Robert Walls (Brisbane, 1994–1995) --> John Nicholls (Carlton, 1972–1975) --> Ken Hands (Carlton, 1959–1964) --> Perce Bentley (Carlton, 1945–1955) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1925) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Gold Coast: Damien Hardwick: Mark Williams (Port Adelaide, 2002–2004) --> Bob Rose (Collingwood 1985–1986) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1946–1949)
Greater Western Sydney: Adam Kingsley: Mark Williams (Port Adelaide, 1999–2006) --> Bob Rose (Collingwood 1985–1986) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1946–1949)
Hawthorn: Sam Mitchell: Alastair Clarkson (Hawthorn, 2005–2016) --> John Kennedy Sr (North Melbourne, 1987–1989) --> Jack Hale (Hawthorn, 1952–1959) --> Dan Minogue (Carlton, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Melbourne: Simon Goodwin: Malcolm Blight (Adelaide, 1997–1999) --> Ron Barassi (North Melbourne, 1974–1980) --> Norm Smith (Melbourne, 1953–1964) --> Checker Hughes (Melbourne, 1935–1948) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1920–1923) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
North Melbourne: Alastair Clarkson: John Kennedy Sr (North Melbourne, 1987–1989) --> Jack Hale (Hawthorn, 1952–1959) --> Dan Minogue (Carlton, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Port Adelaide: Ken Hinkley: David Parkin (Fitzroy, 1987–1988) --> Peter O'Donoghue (Hawthorn, 1966) --> Roy Cazaly (Hawthorn, 1942–1943) --> Charles Pannam (South Melbourne, 1923–1927) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1917–1922)
Richmond: Adem Yze: Neil Balme (Melbourne, 1995–1997) --> Tom Hafey (Richmond, 1970–1976) --> Albert Pannam --> (Richmond, 1953–1955) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1933–1945)
St Kilda: Ross Lyon: Robert Walls (Fitzroy, 1985) --> John Nicholls (Carlton, 1972–1975) --> Ken Hands (Carlton, 1959–1964) --> Perce Bentley (Carlton, 1945–1955) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1925) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Sydney: John Longmire: John Kennedy Sr (North Melbourne, 1988–1989) --> Jack Hale (Hawthorn, 1952–1959) --> Dan Minogue (Carlton, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
West Coast: Adam Simpson: Denis Pagan (North Melbourne, 1993–2002) --> Keith McKenzie (North Melbourne, 1967–1970) --> Bob McCaskill (North Melbourne, 1944–1947) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1923–1925) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Western Bulldogs: Luke Beveridge: John Northey (Melbourne, 1989–1992) --> Des Rowe (Richmond, 1963) --> Jack Dyer (Richmond, 1946–1952) --> Checker Hughes (Richmond, 1931–1932) -->Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1920–1923) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
I can't verify as I don't know if I've always taken the most direct route, but of the current coaches it seems like Hardwick and Kingsley have the fewest steps back to McHale (having been coached by Mark Williams, who was coached by Bob Rose). Anyone who was coached by Williams or Tony Shaw would be in the same category – so Bucks would join that club if he ever returns to coaching, as would Scott Burns if he ever gets a gig.
It also seems like there's a maximum six degrees of separation.
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stui magpie 
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Nice work. 6 degrees of Jock McHale  
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LaurieHolden 
Floreat Gymnorhina tyrannica
Joined: 22 Feb 2009
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Any luck David in the hope you've found a connection in your own family tree?
Related to this, the Collingwood F/S (and now father / daughter) family tree has a few branches on it. There's an off-season task!
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David
I dare you to try
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Not as of yet! But at this rate we might all have a McHale connection somewhere.
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Uncle Jack 
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| 1 degree of seperation? Both Jock Mchale and Great Uncle Jack Shorten amongst the listed best players in the 1910 grannie- only premiership over Carlton. |
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i hate carlton
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LaurieHolden
Floreat Gymnorhina tyrannica
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The 'Leigh Mathews' link in the McHale DNA thread looks to be sprouting branches.
Carlton: Michael Voss --> Leigh Matthews (Brisbane, 1999–2004) --> Robert Walls (Brisbane, 1992–1995) --> John Nicholls (Carlton, 1972–1975) --> Ken Hands (Carlton, 1959–1964) --> Perce Bentley (Carlton, 1945–1955) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1925) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
Collingwood: Craig McRae --> Leigh Matthews (Brisbane, 1999–2004) --> Allan Jeans (Hawthorn, 1981–1985) --> Jim Francis (St Kilda, 1959) --> Bill Twomey (Hawthorn, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1918–1922)
Essendon: Brad Scott --> Leigh Matthews (Brisbane, 1999–2004) --> Ken Judge (Hawthorn, 1997) --> Allan Jeans (Hawthorn, 1983–1986) --> Jim Francis (St Kilda, 1959) --> Bill Twomey (Hawthorn, 1933–1934) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1918–1922)
Geelong: Chris Scott --> Leigh Matthews (Brisbane, 1999–2004) --> Robert Walls (Brisbane, 1994–1995) --> John Nicholls (Carlton, 1972–1975) --> Ken Hands (Carlton, 1959–1964) --> Perce Bentley (Carlton, 1945–1955) --> Dan Minogue (Richmond, 1925) --> Jock McHale (Collingwood, 1912–1916)
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