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Pies4shaw 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | The ALP don't occupy it by right, the Vic Libs conceded it. 2 (or more) parties can compete for the middle ground, the winner is the one who puts the most palatable sauce on the pie even if they don't occupy all of it. |
I think you probably could amuse yourself by writing a comprehensive list of the things you see as "middle ground" and then asking yourself which basket-case in the State Liberal Party is capable of going there without slipping up and being exposed as an imbecile. It would have been a bit easier at Federal level, save that Morrison contrived to replace a middle-ground leader and then get their next saleable leader voted out of Federal Parliament. Josh might come back, though, I guess - especially if merchant banking is in a bit of a trough. I expect that's the point of Nikki Savvas' new book - I don't imagine Josh agreed to speak because he wants a cheap career in self-help publishing. 
Pesutto (if he wins his seat) will be elected leader of the State Libs, unless they are even more insane than presently appears. He's going to have trouble controlling the Upper Class Twit of the Year Show that passes for the Lib party room, though. |
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Pies4shaw
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| think positive wrote: | hehe thats a funny headline
i was wrapped cos it pissed so many people i know off so much!
really makes me wonder who voted for him but then, maybe my friends are all ...god know! i was lazy, i was pissed at something and just voted 1 animal justice party, not the fake one! so im not sure who got my vote!!
as an aside im picking up 2 6 year old sheep whos lambing days will be over, they will join my already spoilt brats and live a safe, happy, stress free spoilt back scratching life! and these 2 dont need clipping, they shed in spring! bless em!
im also looking at adopting some ex battery cage hens, just trying to contact the guy who has them, he goes state wide and rescues them, and sells them to good homes only for $6 each, which doesnt cover his transport and feeding fees, he does it for love. thats a good guy! cheers
Go Dan! i reckon he deserves it! |
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watt price tully 
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| Jezza wrote: | My early analysis based on the trends and data we've witnessed.
[*] The Liberals went backwards in the middle class eastern suburbs, in electorates such as Ringwood, Box Hill, Glen Waverley and Ashwood. These were seats they were hoping to win but lost further ground in.
[*] The Teals fail to replicate their Federal election success. They may still win Mornington and Hawthorn, but postals generally favour the Liberals. They didn't come close in Brighton and Caulfield and lost in Kew.
[*] The Nationals exceeded expectations holding all regional seats and winning back Mildura and Shepparton from the independents. The Liberals were able to hold on to Benambra.
[*] The Greens primary largely stays the same from the last election, but Liberal preferences helped them gain Richmond. Overall, I think they've underachieved as I think they thought they were going to also gain Northcote and possibly Pascoe Vale.
[*] The western suburbs independents in Melton, Point Cook and Werribee all failed to unseat Labor. The primary vote for these candidates was far lower than expected.
[*] The Liberals had massive swings in their favour in the North and West but the margins were too great to overcome to win any seats in these areas.
[*] Despite the talk of a massive crossbench and an increase in the primary vote of 'Other', it's possible no independents will win a seat in this election. |
I think Jezza you can add to that list that none of the extreme fringe nutters that the Libs whether overtly or covertly got into bed with did anything in their respective seats.
In terms of Teals the Federal government had Scotty from Marketing and Dutton who both are poison so to speak in the federal teal won seats. Guy might be an idiot but he wasn’t a dangerous idiot unlike…..
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Pies4shaw
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The Heralkd-Sun is like Monty Python's Black Knight:
From 3 days ago:
| Quote: | Dan’s rule on a knife edge as Labor support slides
Bombshell new polling reveals Labor is in danger of losing about a dozen seats with the most likely election outcome being a Labor minority government.
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From yesterday:
| Quote: | Guy gains ground, as Andrews loses support
If today’s election were to be held early in the new year, Matthew Guy might be our new Premier, as voters grow more hostile towards Labor and Daniel Andrews. |
From a few minutes ago:
| Quote: | How the election was won and lost
Despite internal fears of a substantial swing away against Labor, it is now the Liberals left to lament what caused the voter backlash against their party. |
Lucky these people put this shit behind a paywall, that's all I can say. If we were able to read the entire drivel, we'd probably die laughing. |
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Pies4shaw
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | My early analysis based on the trends and data we've witnessed.
[*] The Liberals went backwards in the middle class eastern suburbs, in electorates such as Ringwood, Box Hill, Glen Waverley and Ashwood. These were seats they were hoping to win but lost further ground in.
[*] The Teals fail to replicate their Federal election success. They may still win Mornington and Hawthorn, but postals generally favour the Liberals. They didn't come close in Brighton and Caulfield and lost in Kew.
[*] The Nationals exceeded expectations holding all regional seats and winning back Mildura and Shepparton from the independents. The Liberals were able to hold on to Benambra.
[*] The Greens primary largely stays the same from the last election, but Liberal preferences helped them gain Richmond. Overall, I think they've underachieved as I think they thought they were going to also gain Northcote and possibly Pascoe Vale.
[*] The western suburbs independents in Melton, Point Cook and Werribee all failed to unseat Labor. The primary vote for these candidates was far lower than expected.
[*] The Liberals had massive swings in their favour in the North and West but the margins were too great to overcome to win any seats in these areas.
[*] Despite the talk of a massive crossbench and an increase in the primary vote of 'Other', it's possible no independents will win a seat in this election. |
I think Jezza you can add to that list that none of the extreme fringe nutters that the Libs whether overtly or covertly got into bed with did anything in their respective seats.
In terms of Teals the Federal government had Scotty from Marketing and Dutton who both are poison so to speak in the federal teal won seats. Guy might be an idiot but he wasn’t a dangerous idiot unlike….. |
That's completely untrue. The Angry Victorians Party got 2,495 votes. That's about one in a thousand - the Herald-Sun might call that "the first murmurings of a groundswell of disenchantment". |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| Pies4shaw wrote: |
I think you probably could amuse yourself by writing a comprehensive list of the things you see as "middle ground" and then asking yourself which basket-case in the State Liberal Party is capable of going there without slipping up and being exposed as an imbecile. |
Thanks for the suggestion, I'm no where near bored enough or interested in the subject matter to even contemplate doing that.
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lazzadesilva 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | The Heralkd-Sun is like Monty Python's Black Knight:
From 3 days ago:
| Quote: | Dan’s rule on a knife edge as Labor support slides
Bombshell new polling reveals Labor is in danger of losing about a dozen seats with the most likely election outcome being a Labor minority government.
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From yesterday:
| Quote: | Guy gains ground, as Andrews loses support
If today’s election were to be held early in the new year, Matthew Guy might be our new Premier, as voters grow more hostile towards Labor and Daniel Andrews. |
From a few minutes ago:
| Quote: | How the election was won and lost
Despite internal fears of a substantial swing away against Labor, it is now the Liberals left to lament what caused the voter backlash against their party. |
Lucky these people put this shit behind a paywall, that's all I can say. If we were able to read the entire drivel, we'd probably die laughing. |
That is truly hilarious 😂 That’s spin about spin! Unbelievable 😛
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Pies4shaw
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David 
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Still early days on the legislative council results, but early figures suggest that Derryn Hinch's party has lost all three of its seats (including tinfoil-hat-wearing defector Catherine Cumming), which is great to see. The Greens have seemingly increased their numbers from 1 to 4, which at least more proportionally matches their vote. Looks likely that Labor will only need the Greens + one of Fiona Patten, AJP or Legalise Cannabis to get legislation through, which makes things pretty comfortable for Andrews.
On the right-leaning side of the crossbench, looks like Sustainable Australia, Transport Matters and the Liberal Democrats are out and DLP (not Somyurek but another candidate) + One Nation are in, with the Shooters and Fishers keeping their one seat. Guess we'll see how things shake out in a week or two.
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | My early analysis based on the trends and data we've witnessed.
[*] The Liberals went backwards in the middle class eastern suburbs, in electorates such as Ringwood, Box Hill, Glen Waverley and Ashwood. These were seats they were hoping to win but lost further ground in.
[*] The Teals fail to replicate their Federal election success. They may still win Mornington and Hawthorn, but postals generally favour the Liberals. They didn't come close in Brighton and Caulfield and lost in Kew.
[*] The Nationals exceeded expectations holding all regional seats and winning back Mildura and Shepparton from the independents. The Liberals were able to hold on to Benambra.
[*] The Greens primary largely stays the same from the last election, but Liberal preferences helped them gain Richmond. Overall, I think they've underachieved as I think they thought they were going to also gain Northcote and possibly Pascoe Vale.
[*] The western suburbs independents in Melton, Point Cook and Werribee all failed to unseat Labor. The primary vote for these candidates was far lower than expected.
[*] The Liberals had massive swings in their favour in the North and West but the margins were too great to overcome to win any seats in these areas.
[*] Despite the talk of a massive crossbench and an increase in the primary vote of 'Other', it's possible no independents will win a seat in this election. |
I think Jezza you can add to that list that none of the extreme fringe nutters that the Libs whether overtly or covertly got into bed with did anything in their respective seats.
In terms of Teals the Federal government had Scotty from Marketing and Dutton who both are poison so to speak in the federal teal won seats. Guy might be an idiot but he wasn’t a dangerous idiot unlike….. |
That's completely untrue. The Angry Victorians Party got 2,495 votes. That's about one in a thousand - the Herald-Sun might call that "the first murmurings of a groundswell of disenchantment". |
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https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/11/28/victorian-election-freedom-movement/
As Cam Wilson notes on Crikey: RIP (the so called) Freedom
Movement 2020-2022. The leaders of the anti vaccination mandates, anti lockdown responded to their electoral drubbing by accusing Victorians of being brainwashed or baselessly claiming voter fraud. 😂🤦♂️😂
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David
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No doubt many of them (perhaps due to not understanding preferences or being sufficiently turned off by the microparties' kookiness) voted Liberal – but it is kind of extraordinary that, following all the sound and fury of the past couple of years, the anti-lockdown parties (Freedom, Angry Victorians, Liberal Democrats, One Nation and Health Australia) seem to have scored a cumulative 2.4% of lower house primary votes.
In the upper house, where more microparties are on offer, you've got an average of 2.3% for the three new anti-lockdown parties (Freedom, AVP and "Sack Dan Andrews") and around 8.4% when you factor in other established parties that joined the anti-lockdown bandwagon like One Nation, UAP and the Liberal Democrats (which would each reliably get a couple of per cent each election anyway). In the upper house region of Northern Metro alone, the Victorian Socialists outpolled all seven of those parties put together. So I think it's fair to say that, combined with its inability to get Matthew Guy over the line, the political movement failed pretty comprehensively.
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stui magpie
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It's probably worth noting there that Labor got 37% of the Primary vote, with a swing against of 5.8% while the LNP got 35% with a swing against of 0.11%.
The Nats did well in the regional areas but the Libs went backwards. I can't help but wonder how the talk in the days leading up to the election of a hung parliament and minority governments switched some people's votes back to Labor, not willing to risk a protest vote.
The Libs failed utterly to capture votes, despite the Anti Dan sentiments that were real, because they could just not inspire confidence that they were electable as an alternative government. In the end, people chose to stay with an arrogant prick they didn't like rather than hand over the keys to someone they didn't trust because at least they knew how Andrews would operate.
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KenH
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Not sure that the anti Dan is as high as some of you think, the anti Dan brigade is very noisy so it seems to be more popular than it really is.
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stui magpie
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Highly plausible.
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watt price tully
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| KenH wrote: | | Not sure that the anti Dan is as high as some of you think, the anti Dan brigade is very noisy so it seems to be more popular than it really is. |
Correct weight. This then rendered the lib campaign to focus exclusively on the thrice elected premier as ineffective. The Libs have significant issues with the religious right taking over in some areas which is an anathema to their historical base. Add to that the nod, wink and more to the noisy nutters than they became unelectable.
The ALP has taken over the centre with some added traditional centre left policies leaving no current room for the state Libs to distinguish themselves.
This of course can change in 4 years time.
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