Roe vs Wade overturned in the US

[David]

[stui magpie]

^

Yep, the Church is losing it's power and has been for ages. Just look at Ireland where the Church used to rule but now has same sex marriage and legal abortion.

the US is a funny case as the traditional churches don't have as much sway.

My view is that the Libs try to pander to the increasingly small number of relgious idealogues as it's still a cohort of voters but as you said with Abbott and Abortion it's only small stuff.

Every state in Australia has legal abortion, any government who tried to change that would be arseholed out at the next election.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

[watt price tully]

[think positive]

Saw a post that said something like “we will guarantee your child protection before birth but we can promise to keep the safe til recess.

On a current affair they were talking about extended the reach to sodomy etc.

I just can’t believe such a step backwards.

[What'sinaname]

[Pies4shaw]

There is no "correct decision from the perspective of the US Constitutrion". There are merely two competing theories of interpretation, one conservative, one not.

If you care, I commented on the legislative position on the previous page.

[Skids]

The sheer number of abortions shocked me.

According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion , there are over 3,000 abortions per day. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies in the USA (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.
https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

The rate of abortion in the USA (20.8/1000), is very similar to NZ (19.7) & Australia (19.7). The 3 countries ranking 15th, 17th & 18th respectively.

Russia (53.7), Vietnam (35.2) & Kazakhstan (35) have the highest rates.

Mexico has the least with just 0.1/1000

Portugal, Qatar, India, Spain, Germany.South Africa, Austria, Greece, Croatia, Switzerland & Belgium are other countries with very low rates of abortion.

[stui magpie]

The Supreme Court is supposed to make decisions based on law, not morals. There's an argument they got it right in the legal sense, that now leaves it up to the states and the people in those states.

@Skids, yeah there are a lot of abortions. Considering the preventative measures readily available abortion shouldn't be the primary measure of birth control, but if a women gets pregnant and for whatever reason doesn't want to have a child, she should have the right to terminate that pregnancy without judgement.

[swoop42]

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1002593823/how-democratic-is-american-democracy-key-pillars-face-stress-tests

Well, the Supreme court certainly is minority rule now and that's on the back of the American political system.

For mine the quickest and easiest way to ease the politicization of the Supreme Court is to introduce term limits.

I kind of figure if a President is limited to 8 years then that's a good enough starting point for any Supreme Court appointee.

P.S- How can Clarence Thomas possibly be allowed to remain as a Supreme Court justice when he clearly has a conflict of interest due to his marriage?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/ginni-thomas-clarence-thomas-mark-meadows-text-messages

[stui magpie]

Introducing term limits is good in theory but won't happen easily.

The simplest and most complicated way forward is at the ballot box. If enough people care enough to vote for Pro-Choice , then politicians will listen. It's a state by state situation.

[David]

I'm not totally across the situation there, but my impression is that there's a massive partisan gulf: the blue states will continue to have overwhelming public support for abortion rights and legislate accordingly, but the red states will use this ruling to further crack down on them. Perhaps, in some of the latter, a pro-choice ballot measure might be able to get up even under a Republican state government, but it seems likely that abortion will be made all but (if not entirely) illegal in most southern states and that this will reflect the will of the majority in those jurisdictions.

What I'd be fascinated to figure out is what, if anything, the Democratic Party leadership is proposing apart from their own version of "thoughts and prayers" (i.e. saying how angry and sad they are). They have the presidency and both houses of congress, and yet on nearly every issue that their voters consider priorities (abortion, gun control, voter rights, healthcare, etc.), they seem to be completely impotent. Is there any actual strategy right now? Is anyone even able to propose one?

[pietillidie]

^They definitely are working to circumvent it. Here's an article I noticed the other day, but there have been many more:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/opinion/supreme-court-guns-religion.html

[David]

Little cause for optimism in that piece, at any rate. Progressive-leaning states can and will find loopholes where they can. But these are piecemeal responses that won't do much of anything to help people living under Republican state administrations, and at the federal level things are looking very bleak indeed.

[Pies4shaw]

That's the problem with having a shabby national court, on which the judges play politics openly.

By way of example, Thomas' specifically-foreshadowed targets, derived from the same interpretation that he just trashed in Dobbs, include gay marriage and contraceptives but not the ability of blacks and whites to marry (presumably, he thinks that might hit a little too close to home).

Make no mistake, most of the bits of America that we don't actually hate derive from the jurisprudence of prior Supreme Courts.

With a bit of luck, they'll decriminalize the KKK, too.