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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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The ins and outs compared to our final round team last year.
IN: Pendlebury, Moore, Cox, Mihocek, Quaynor, T Brown, Lipinski, N Daicos
OUT: J Thomas, Maynard, Mayne, Hoskin-Elliott, Murphy, Roughead, Cameron, Rantall, Wilson _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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Jezza
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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9 players with 50 games or less experience are named in the team tomorrow.
John Noble = 44 games
Jack Madgen = 40 games
Isaac Quaynor = 35 games
Tyler Brown = 16 games
Beau McCreery = 13 games
Trent Bianco = 12 games
Oliver Henry = 10 games
Jack Ginnivan = 5 games
Nick Daicos = 0 games _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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Pies4shaw
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Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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Marvel. 7.50
Collingwood v. St Kilda
B: I.Quaynor, D.Moore, J.Madgen
HB: S.Pendlebury, J.Howe, N.Daicos
C: J.Daicos, T.Adams, S.Sidebottom
HF: T.Bianco, B.Mihocek, B.McCreery
F: O.Henry, J.De Goey, J.Elliott
FOLL: B.Grundy, P.Lipinski, J.Crisp
I/C: M.Cox, J.Noble, T.Brown, J.Ginnivan
EMG: T.Wilson, C.Brown, D.Cameron, H.Harrison
New: Nick Daicos, Patrick Lipinski
Let’s hear ya!! |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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The way I figure it is that even in the absence of Roughead, Maynard and Krueger, we find ourselves with a team too good for the likes of McRae, Poulter and C. Brown. This suggests we are stronger this year.
Time will tell, but I reckon we'll win by 18 points.
Part of me wants us to finish somewhere near the bottom in order to improve our draft position, but I actually expect us to finish just inside the 8, or no lower than 12th. |
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#26
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Joined: 15 Jan 2022
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I'm intrigued by the young players they did and didn't go with. Opting for Bianco, T Brown and Harrison in front of Macrae and Poulter. Surprising.
On the other hand the inclusion of N Daicos, McCreery and Henry isn't surprising at all. |
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the fuzz
Fuzz loves Bruzz
Joined: 11 Aug 2008
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We were really missing Mihocek last week against GWS.
I think our forward line looks really good this week on paper.
Lets hope it clicks tonight. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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There’s a serious lack of pace in the team apart from Quaynor, Noble and Nick Daicos, which I feel is going to cost us the game against St Kilda. I fear McRae is committing the same misjudgment as Robert Harvey; that is making a few cosmetic changes to the team and hoping faster movement into the forward line will convert into wins. How do you repair basic kicking skill errors of senior team members in Crisp, Adams and Sidebottom? You can’t. Leppa can spend training session after training session drilling them, but if you haven’t got it, you haven’t got. Buckley knew that and that’s why he attempted a complete overhaul of the team, which cost him his job. There is no other way than to continue what Buckley started. I’m disappointing only two new jumpers were handed out at Wednesday training. I’m encouraged by McRae’s comments that there’s another three close to debut games. We need to keep overhauling the team. Kreuger will be a great addition to the forward line. Harrison will inject the pace we need. Dean adds height to the backline and Will Kelly just needs to be persisted with. Our time will come but I don’t think it’ll be this game against St Kilda with the team selected. Opposition teams currently are faster than us, taller than us and have better options than us in their forward lines and that’s why even if we employ the best coach in the world, the wins won’t come until we find better players. |
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Woods
Joined: 21 Aug 2013 Location: Melbourne
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Let the nightmare begin... |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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Finding better players or expecting the players we have to develop and improve with experience and gaining confidence? I will believe the latter. We need to be patient and knowledgeable that player development and improvement will always take time. I don’t care much about the losses this year, but will definitely be watching the cream of the youngsters rising to the top, making our future look exciting. Other teams can win the sprints, I want to win the marathon and share in the ultimate success story at Collingwood. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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Big T
Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Location: Torino, Italy
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Compared to round 22 last year, great ins and outs... _________________ Buon Giorno |
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piffdog
Joined: 18 Jun 2021
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MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | There’s a serious lack of pace in the team apart from Quaynor, Noble and Nick Daicos, which I feel is going to cost us the game against St Kilda. I fear McRae is committing the same misjudgment as Robert Harvey; that is making a few cosmetic changes to the team and hoping faster movement into the forward line will convert into wins. How do you repair basic kicking skill errors of senior team members in Crisp, Adams and Sidebottom? You can’t. Leppa can spend training session after training session drilling them, but if you haven’t got it, you haven’t got. Buckley knew that and that’s why he attempted a complete overhaul of the team, which cost him his job. There is no other way than to continue what Buckley started. I’m disappointing only two new jumpers were handed out at Wednesday training. I’m encouraged by McRae’s comments that there’s another three close to debut games. We need to keep overhauling the team. Kreuger will be a great addition to the forward line. Harrison will inject the pace we need. Dean adds height to the backline and Will Kelly just needs to be persisted with. Our time will come but I don’t think it’ll be this game against St Kilda with the team selected. Opposition teams currently are faster than us, taller than us and have better options than us in their forward lines and that’s why even if we employ the best coach in the world, the wins won’t come until we find better players. |
Couldn't agree with you less... (but thats ok, thats why we log onto these forums right?).
Mcreery and Elliott say hi in the pace department.
We on the outside have no idea how ready to debut the youngsters are - especially given a whole heap of them will be under done from a development perspective.
Are you gonna drop Crisp, Adams and Sidebottom because they cant kick? Did you see some of the shanks from Cripps last night? All three bring a fair bit else to the table (the first of which was out best player last year...).
Kreuger would have played if he weren't rubbed out - that would have made a third debutant.
Now one thing I can agree with you on (and I am contradicting my opening statement here) is that I don't think we will get it done tonight, although clearly I HOPE we can get it done. It might take a little more time for the team to get some belief that they can be a better side than last year with a new/better game plan.
I'm just not a fan of the "Mcrae is making the wrong decisions" hot takes before we have played. a. single. game.... _________________ It's never as good/nor bad as it seems... |
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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Big T wrote: | Compared to round 22 last year, great ins and outs... |
agree!!!! and right now we are in the top 8!!!!
so excited for tonight!! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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Lazza wrote: | Finding better players or expecting the players we have to develop and improve with experience and gaining confidence? I will believe the latter. We need to be patient and knowledgeable that player development and improvement will always take time. I don’t care much about the losses this year, but will definitely be watching the cream of the youngsters rising to the top, making our future look exciting. Other teams can win the sprints, I want to win the marathon and share in the ultimate success story at Collingwood. |
I agree with these comments. I wouldn't dare suggest we drop Crisp, Adams and Sidebottom. We need them. But we need to supplement these players with ones who have the pace they lack and ones who have the kicking skills they lack. They're there. However at this moment they don't have the games of experience that the other guys we selected have. It's a paradox. How else can they get experience if they're not being selected in the senior team. It's a quandy McRae has to solve if he expects to have a long career as coach because Collingwood supporters have high expectations and if we lose tonight the knives will be out after only one game as coach. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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piffdog wrote: | MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | There’s a serious lack of pace in the team apart from Quaynor, Noble and Nick Daicos, which I feel is going to cost us the game against St Kilda. I fear McRae is committing the same misjudgment as Robert Harvey; that is making a few cosmetic changes to the team and hoping faster movement into the forward line will convert into wins. How do you repair basic kicking skill errors of senior team members in Crisp, Adams and Sidebottom? You can’t. Leppa can spend training session after training session drilling them, but if you haven’t got it, you haven’t got. Buckley knew that and that’s why he attempted a complete overhaul of the team, which cost him his job. There is no other way than to continue what Buckley started. I’m disappointing only two new jumpers were handed out at Wednesday training. I’m encouraged by McRae’s comments that there’s another three close to debut games. We need to keep overhauling the team. Kreuger will be a great addition to the forward line. Harrison will inject the pace we need. Dean adds height to the backline and Will Kelly just needs to be persisted with. Our time will come but I don’t think it’ll be this game against St Kilda with the team selected. Opposition teams currently are faster than us, taller than us and have better options than us in their forward lines and that’s why even if we employ the best coach in the world, the wins won’t come until we find better players. |
Couldn't agree with you less... (but thats ok, thats why we log onto these forums right?).
Mcreery and Elliott say hi in the pace department.
We on the outside have no idea how ready to debut the youngsters are - especially given a whole heap of them will be under done from a development perspective.
Are you gonna drop Crisp, Adams and Sidebottom because they cant kick? Did you see some of the shanks from Cripps last night? All three bring a fair bit else to the table (the first of which was out best player last year...).
Kreuger would have played if he weren't rubbed out - that would have made a third debutant.
Now one thing I can agree with you on (and I am contradicting my opening statement here) is that I don't think we will get it done tonight, although clearly I HOPE we can get it done. It might take a little more time for the team to get some belief that they can be a better side than last year with a new/better game plan.
I'm just not a fan of the "Mcrae is making the wrong decisions" hot takes before we have played. a. single. game.... |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | How else can they get experience if they're not being selected in the senior team. It's a quandy McRae has to solve if he expects to have a long career as coach because Collingwood supporters have high expectations and if we lose tonight the knives will be out after only one game as coach. |
I will put my neck out and say what I think perhaps to my detriment. Any Collingwood fans who seriously wants a coaching change after a possible loss tonight are bloody ignorant fools who give cause to the feral reputation some of us have from opposition supporters. Win, lose or draw, the club, players and coaching staff need time to rebuild the team accordingly to the recipe they have. We need to support them in their efforts instead of sniping at them from forums. It’s a monumental task they are undertaking. Genuine fans understand this process but everyone has a right to their opinions and so be it. Opinions will differ but the leaders at the club will all be on the same page. In the end this is what matters. _________________ Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
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