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eddiesmith 
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
Location: Lexus Centre
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A great example of making decisions based on an election is Victoria suddenly deciding to hand out 3 million free masks when the wave has passed its peak and infections heading down.
Must have a large unused stockpile they want to get rid of and use in their election campaigning how they gave out millions in free masks... |
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Pies4shaw 
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| You really are a miserable fellow, aren't you? No-one's making you wear one (more's the pity). |
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watt price tully 
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Eddiesmith won’t get them on principle because of his argument that promoting mask wearing was because Daniel Andrews was being paid by the Chinese Government.
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
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You are wrong as always, but you're used to that.
Nice to see the Mod using his powers to silence criticism, it really is like China in here...  |
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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It seems strange that access is 'Limited'...
However, their use is restricted. Under guidelines revised last month, the only people who can access them are:
Australians over the age of 70 who test positive to COVID-19
Australians aged over 50 — and Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people aged over 30 — with two or more risk factors for severe disease
Anyone over 18 who is severely immunocompromised or has severe physical or intellectual disabilities can also be assessed for access.
When we had it, Kelly (asthmatic) had the worst of the symptoms. The doc told her to take Cold and Flu tablets. I took a couple of disprin & Jessica had a vodka cruiser.
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Pies4shaw
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Australia
Total COVID deaths to 31 August 2022 (some States/Territories still to report): 13,882.
Total deaths throughout the pandemic to 31 December 2021: 2,239
COVID deaths by month in 2022:
Jan - 1,519
Feb - 1,413
Mar - 823
Apr - 1,248
May - 1,279
June - 1,376
Jul - 1,949
Aug - 2,036.
Total COVID deaths in 2022: 11,643. |
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Pies4shaw
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^ Update: Final toll, at 31 August 2022 - 13,903. That's 2,057 deaths in August and 11,664 deaths in 2022, so far.
Oh - and only about 1,600 deaths since the declaration in this thread on 8 August 2022 that the "latest wave is behind us". |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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National Covid Council has decided to reduce isolation periods and remove the requirement for masks on domestic flights. The flights change takes effect from September 9th.
WTF is this postpone for a week bullshit? I'm flying to Cairns in 2 days. 
Ah well, much as I hate wearing the fkn things I can live with it for a few hours.
The death count is high, yeah, but still the vast majority are very elderly who were primed to die of something any day now. Dan still leading the state death count.
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
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Albo wanted to prove he wasn't just doing it to help the Rabbitohs?  |
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Pies4shaw
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| stui magpie wrote: | | still the vast majority are very elderly who were primed to die of something any day now. |
I've said it before but I'll say it again. Most people die at an advanced age in Australia, even when they die "of" a disease. Generally speaking, if people survive infancy and don't die of a traumatic cause (eg, accident, crime, suicide and the like) they live to a reasonable age, even if they die "of" a "killer" illness, such as cancer or heart disease. A small proportion of people do get diseases that kill them at a relatively young age but, for the most part, most people simply don't die when they are young unless they die of an external cause.
The life expectancy of people who die of COVID immediately before they contract the virus is typically many years. An 85 year old man (of whatever state of health - that is, the life expectancy tables include all the sick people who have reached 85 years of age, as well as the healthy ones) has a life expectancy of a further 6 and 1/2 years and a woman of the same age has a life expectancy of a further 7 and 1/2 years. The vast majority of people who die of COVID are not people "who were primed to die of something any die now".
Here is the ABS' analysis published in late July: https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-30-june-2022
The numbers are lower than the reported numbers - that is because they are based on death registration data, which has a very substantial lag. In time they will more or less tally with the daily reported deaths. In any event, the numbers concern 8.219 deaths. Of those, COVID was the underlying cause of death in about about 86% of cases. The other 1,150 deaths were people with other underlying health problems that "caused" their deaths, so that COVID merely "contributed" to their (earlier) mortality.
Another way of putting it is to say that the data strongly indicate that 6 out of every 7 people who have died of COVID in Australia were not suffering from any other condition that affected their immediate prospects of survival. No doubt some of those people would not have otherwise lived their 6 and a half or 7 and a half further years, absent COVID. Equally (and, of course, I mean that statistically), some of those people would, absent COVID, have lived for many more years than that.
The misconception that people who are, on average, 85 (or whatever the figure is this week) when they die of COVID were going to die very soon anyway is a result of a misunderstanding of the life expectancy data. Life expectancy of 85 (or thereabouts) for all people is based on all of the people who have lived and who have died at every age. As one gets older, one's life expectancy increases and, with every passing day, it continues to increase, incrementally. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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The average life expectancy for someone in residential aged care is 30 months and that's where 3889 of those deaths have come from.
Those number wouldn't include people in palliative care or who died in hospital.
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Pies4shaw
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| ^ Same fallacy. You just don't seem to understand numbers. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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I understand numbers just fine and, unfortunately, I believe the sort of death numbers you've quoted are going to be our new normal for the foreseeable future.
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
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Wearing a mask on the plane was nonsensical. 180 of us, we'd sit in the plane together with masks on, get off the plane, take masks off, sit on bus together.
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