Lessons from the GF.
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Piesnchess
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Last season the Deees were utter shit, things can turn fast in footy , and with a new terrific Coach, coaching Panel, and young Daicos, some canny recruiting, a great bunch of young kids, who knows what the future brings, but im pretty postitive about it. Bring it on.! |
Still got no forward line |
Yes, that is a huge issue. But we have talls waiting in the wings. We are not in the market for ensnaring some super power key forward, because we are not yet in contention for a flag. Therefore, we will need to start developing our own forward structure and talent. Can happen in a year or two. Just like Bailey Fritsch appeared on the scene several years ago, and now ends up kicking 6 goals in a GF. |
Exactly, takes time, one or two of our kids might turn out to be very capable up forward, talls, its a new era now for us, recruting wise too.
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Piesnchess
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| Charlie Oneeye wrote: | How fickle it is to say how good is Melbourne is and how bad are we!.
Melbourne were fantastic, and deserve all the accolades. It started with Petracca, Gawn, Lever, May, Brayshaw .. found a goal kicker in Fritsch .. hit the jackpot with Oliver ,and Brayshaw did his thing. Salem is a young gun, Jackson fell out of a tree, and Ben Brown was a missing link. Langdon slotted in nicely. The rest well drilled.
Melbourne failed dismally and started from ground zero and toiled over many years to build that side, and many seasons growing together.
Seems we have already started on the same path.
Watching Perracca, I was thinking who's our Petracca ? Its Degoy.
We have Moore, Grundy, IQ, Adams, Crisp, Degoey, Maynard and N Daicos and a dozen young guns all under 20.
The pieces to come will have a good core of players around them.
Tonight's game was fantastic, Melbourne's forwards looked for space while Dogs backs guarded space. When Melbourne controlled the footy, they easily found open space or loose forwards.
Tonight will give FLY food for thought. Controlled from the midfield. Man on man in the backline. Forwards fan out and open up the whole forward arc.
Loved this GF, a classic. Rapt for Melbourne's long-suffering supporters. |
They had a lot of help from the AFL, concessions wise, been bank rolled to get Roos some yrs ago. WE propped them up for yrs with the bloody QB game, not any more. Stuff their fans, they have heaped shit on us for years, they have never wished us good fortune, ever far from it. In both 1986 and 1999, when we were in dire financial straits, they rang up radio stations and wished our cllub would fold, i heard them myself. 
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Lazza
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Last season the Deees were utter shit, things can turn fast in footy , and with a new terrific Coach, coaching Panel, and young Daicos, some canny recruiting, a great bunch of young kids, who knows what the future brings, but im pretty postitive about it. Bring it on.! |
Still got no forward line |
Yes, that is a huge issue. But we have talls waiting in the wings. We are not in the market for ensnaring some super power key forward, because we are not yet in contention for a flag. Therefore, we will need to start developing our own forward structure and talent. Can happen in a year or two. Just like Bailey Fritsch appeared on the scene several years ago, and now ends up kicking 6 goals in a GF. |
Exactly, takes time, one or two of our kids might turn out to be very capable up forward, talls, its a new era now for us, recruting wise too. |
Spot on Piesnchess, we are definitely in a cusp of success in a couple of years. Your positive attitude is a delight and uplifting to those who at times doubt that Collingwood can achieve similar success to the likes of Melbourne. Hard work, clever recruiting and excellent development of the younger guys will definitely bring forth success sooner than later. I love the current foundations being put into place via the coaching appointments and the new players being considered for drafting and recruitment. I have faith and belief in the current personnel already working their butts off to improve our list.
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eddiesmith 
Lets get ready to Rumble
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | Didn't we look at Ben Brown last year? What happened? |
So you think BB is the difference between 17th and winning a flag? |
No, he's the difference between 9th and winning a flag 
But in all seriousness, we have a massive, massive weakness at full forward and he was available and we chose not to pursue him. Yet he walked into a side that won the premiership. I do remember there being a few posters on here who didn't want him.
A key forward isn't the only thing holding us back, but with our salary cap issues we can't recruit a top quality full forward, instead we wasted that on a ruckman who isn't even in the top few ruckmen in the game just 1 year into his 7 year mega contract.
We also have obvious weakness in midfield depth as they are ageing and our key defender stocks are also getting on. In reality we need a full on rebuild, but are severely hampered from doing so for the next 6 years due to salary cap constraints, but players like Brown that pop up from time to time that are affordable and not pursued can be bad misses for a club with a number of holes to fill.
I suppose we can only hope Craig actually values kicking goals as a means to winning games of football, unlike our last coach. But then again he also thought a player out there tonight couldn't possibly focus on his footy with his wife playing netball in another state... |
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eddiesmith
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| Lazza wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Last season the Deees were utter shit, things can turn fast in footy , and with a new terrific Coach, coaching Panel, and young Daicos, some canny recruiting, a great bunch of young kids, who knows what the future brings, but im pretty postitive about it. Bring it on.! |
Still got no forward line |
Yes, that is a huge issue. But we have talls waiting in the wings. We are not in the market for ensnaring some super power key forward, because we are not yet in contention for a flag. Therefore, we will need to start developing our own forward structure and talent. Can happen in a year or two. Just like Bailey Fritsch appeared on the scene several years ago, and now ends up kicking 6 goals in a GF. |
Exactly, takes time, one or two of our kids might turn out to be very capable up forward, talls, its a new era now for us, recruting wise too. |
Spot on Piesnchess, we are definitely in a cusp of success in a couple of years. Your positive attitude is a delight and uplifting to those who at times doubt that Collingwood can achieve similar success to the likes of Melbourne. Hard work, clever recruiting and excellent development of the younger guys will definitely bring forth success sooner than later. I love the current foundations being put into place via the coaching appointments and the new players being considered for drafting and recruitment. I have faith and belief in the current personnel already working their butts off to improve our list. |
It's going to be a long road, there is no quick fix. Melbourne's journey really started 7 years ago with Petracca then Oliver the next year building as the foundation for their dominant midfield, but it takes those 5+ years in the AFL system to get to that stage. Much like our 2010 success was built off the 2004-5 drafts.
But it also takes crafty recruiting like May and Brown, as we did in 2010 with Jolly and Ball. But to be able to recruit you need currency and our recent tactics of trading away future picks along with our £$%$ed up salary cap makes it seem a long way away yet. |
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K
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| doriswilgus wrote: | ...
Most of all you need a good midfield. Every single final this year was won by the team with the best midfield. |
Yep, midfielders are gold.
A lot of chatter this week about the Brownlow being the midfielders' medal. Ross Lyon goes: that's the way it should be, 'cos they're the ones who win flags.
OTOH you can't ignore KPPs. Melbourne cleverly targeted May and Lever. Those intercept defenders are also gold.
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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K
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | Didn't we look at Ben Brown last year? What happened? |
We couldn't afford him. We couldn't afford anyone. Our salary cap was so stuffed... Sadly, still is. |
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K
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| Big T wrote: | | Gawn embarrassed Martin. Grundy needs to play like Gawn or we need to keep.developing Lynch. |
Lynch and Cox are looking at their options at other clubs. |
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K
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| piedys wrote: | ...
Somebody. Anybody. Tell me - how the f%cking f$ck did we beat this team only a few months ago?!
I mean what the actual f&ck?! |
Some of their players were bagged in the media for sort of admitting they couldn't get themselves up against weak sides. |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | we have a massive, massive weakness at full forward |
Nobody is disputing that. Brown's 25 goals would not have changed anything. Only 3 ahead of Cameron and doesn't ruck
| eddiesmith wrote: | | Grundy blah blah, Buckley blah blah |
Gonna have to let that go at some point
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Pies2016
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Dees footskills have improved dramatically between 2020 and 2021.
If you can’t hit a target, then you won’t move the ball either quickly or successfully. You can have reasonably rapid improvement in that area but it needs player buy in, good development coaches and good programs. |
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K
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| ^ The players credit Choco for that. |
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Magpietothemax
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| K wrote: | | piedys wrote: | ...
Somebody. Anybody. Tell me - how the f%cking f$ck did we beat this team only a few months ago?!
I mean what the actual f&ck?! |
Some of their players were bagged in the media for sort of admitting they couldn't get themselves up against weak sides. |
Yeah maybe. but what exactly is the differential between top of the ladder and "weak side"?
They were also involved in a QB Big Freeze Neil Daniher Blitz. Mentally, they were no indifferent to this game.
I think our win against them was more to do with training levels and where they were at in terms of preparing for the final series than "not being able to get up for weak teams".
But our win wasn't meaningless. It shows that the gap from 17th to Premiership might only be 2 years, as Melbourne demonstrated themselves tonight.
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K
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^ It's really hard to be up all year. Their dip in form was around that time.
WB had their dip the last three rounds of the H&A season. It cost them a top-4 spot. (But they'd still have made it if Brissy's game against WC didn't have a 39-minute Q4.  Still dunno how that happened...)
Melbourne underperformed '19 & '20. That's the easiest way to have a quick rise. WB too. |
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