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eddiesmith 
Lets get ready to Rumble
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | David wrote: | | Fair enough, I reckon. Doesn't seem to be much point in keeping them around if they're no longer contact tracing. |
Yep, I’ve stopped checking in once it was obvious there was zero point to it. |
The mask mandate is soon to follow. Most masks are ineffective and that's when people wear them properly, which most aren't. |
That will be the final one to fall for Dan, he'll introduce a 4th booster shot mandate before he gives in on his precious masks. |
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#26 
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | #26 wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
The pressure is on to get people back into offices. They won't if they have to wear masks. |
Nooo. Let them work from home. Makes my run to work quicker. |
Our carpark was packed at work today despite the official advice still being work from home. Still a few people who live further away that prefer to stay away, but most transitioning back to 1-2 days a week minimum. |
Still got the uni students to return in about two weeks time too. That'll impact parking around where I work. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| eddiesmith wrote: | So state homes are accounting for 10% of aged care deaths? Interesting, so it’s clearly not a private aged care problem at all given state aged care accounts for 10% or less of all aged care homes in Victoria!
Maybe it just shows you can’t protect the elderly when the virus is out of control, which it was in the second wave solely due to the state government’s incompetence. Funny how it was only one state who so royally �$%$ed it up in 2020 yet all they do is blame the Feds. Meanwhile the rest of the states just did the job they agreed to. |
This article, of course, demonstrates that your post is just unmitigated drivel. Plainly, Victorian public sector aged care homes were not the problem and plainly you can protect people in aged care from the virus. But only if you give a f%^&: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/why-victorian-public-aged-care-homes-were-spared-the-worst-of-coronavirus-20220214-p59wco.html:
| Quote: | During the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, three residents got the virus in Victorian public sector aged care homes and none died. Between March and December that year, in the state’s private and not-for-profit homes, there were almost 2000 coronavirus cases and 655 residents died with the virus.
In 2021, three residents of Victoria’s public aged care homes died. This year, as the Omicron wave has torn through aged care homes killing an average of 17 residents each day, just three people in total in Victoria’s state-run homes have died. |
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#26
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| I find following this stuff is less stressful when you take of the idealogical goggles. |
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Pies4shaw
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^ Well, there's absolutely no need for you to put them on in the fiurst place.
Reported in Victoria today:
Hospital: 397
ICU: 68
Ventilated: 13
Deaths: 18
and in NSW:
- 1,478 hospitalisations
- 92 people in ICU
- 27 deaths |
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#26
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| ^ Yet people do. |
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Pies4shaw
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^ Yes, I find it easier just to follow the evidence. The evidence now demonstrates that there have been over 2,000 COVID deaths reported in Australia since 18 January 2022 (that's under a month ago).
Over that time, the average number of COVID deaths reported per day in Australia has been 67.2. That average is higher than the number of deaths reported on any single day at any prior point in the pandemic. The highest number of deaths reported on any one day before Omicron hit was 59, reported on 4 September 2020 - but we know that was a statistical accident - it included 50 deaths that had occurred in July and August of 2020 and wefre reported after reconciling State and Federal aged care data:
| Quote: | | There have been 59 new deaths from COVID-19 reported since yesterday. Today’s reported deaths include 50 people from Victorian aged care facilities who died in July and August. |
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-update-victoria-4-september-2020
The highest reported deaths on any day during the various 2021 COVID events was 27 (once, on 28 October 2021).
Thus, we remain in the pandemic's deadliest Australian phase. |
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think positive 
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | So state homes are accounting for 10% of aged care deaths? Interesting, so it’s clearly not a private aged care problem at all given state aged care accounts for 10% or less of all aged care homes in Victoria!
Maybe it just shows you can’t protect the elderly when the virus is out of control, which it was in the second wave solely due to the state government’s incompetence. Funny how it was only one state who so royally �$%$ed it up in 2020 yet all they do is blame the Feds. Meanwhile the rest of the states just did the job they agreed to. |
This article, of course, demonstrates that your post is just unmitigated drivel. Plainly, Victorian public sector aged care homes were not the problem and plainly you can protect people in aged care from the virus. But only if you give a f%^&: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/why-victorian-public-aged-care-homes-were-spared-the-worst-of-coronavirus-20220214-p59wco.html:
| Quote: | During the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, three residents got the virus in Victorian public sector aged care homes and none died. Between March and December that year, in the state’s private and not-for-profit homes, there were almost 2000 coronavirus cases and 655 residents died with the virus.
In 2021, three residents of Victoria’s public aged care homes died. This year, as the Omicron wave has torn through aged care homes killing an average of 17 residents each day, just three people in total in Victoria’s state-run homes have died. |
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great post P4S.
ive been ignoring the drivel, hardly even read it now its so off the wall for the most part, such narrow views, its even offensive to us one eyed supporters! but im really glad you posted this answer. Both my father in law and father were in the same nursing home during covid, my FIL before it started, my Father in March as it ignited. The care given during this awful time cannot be faulted. The staff were in full PPE all day long, just like hospital staff, and since both of them passed away during covid lockdowns i had reason to see first hand the conditions they were working under. there was a table at the door of each room with full PPE gear, it had to be changed and disposed of for EVERY single entry during the height of lockdown. residents were not able to leave their rooms, can you imagine the added stress the dementia patients were under, and how they passed that on. They did ipad calls, they did window visits, they bent over backwards to provide daily updates to the families. we knew when a staff member caught covid, we knew what steps they took to try and keep the residents safe. Because they gave a ****!
This has been $£$%^%%$ hell on earth for all of us to some degree. Bitching about having to wear a $£$%^%%$ mask in the supermarket for how long? its too hard to get your phone out to check in? seriously maybe find the missing empathy chip, but certainly stop spreading bullshit!
2020 was worse for Victoria for many reasons, not the least being the climate and the population density. then there is the fucktards at rallies making it worse. Im sure mistakes were made, im also sure that when something completely out of the stratosphere of nornal happens, mistakes will be made. And by the way, what if the Ruby Princess had not been allowed to dock? to disembark? if the travellers were not allowed to just get on a plane and fly home? im not sure how thats on anyone in Victoria.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: |
Thus, we remain in the pandemic's deadliest Australian phase. |
Yes we do. However the people dying are with few exceptions, people who have been hospitalised.
The numbers of people in hospital in Victoria is currently the lowest it's been this year and the numbers being ventilated the lowest since September last year.
So while the numbers of people dying will likely continue where they are for another week or so, we are well and truly past the worst of this wave.
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think positive
Side By Side
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Oh Stu, no don’t jinx it, famous last words n’all!
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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hey, I said this wave. 
We should expect at least 3 months of relative normality from now and keep our fingers and toes crossed come Winter.
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: |
Thus, we remain in the pandemic's deadliest Australian phase. |
Yes we do. However the people dying are with few exceptions, people who have been hospitalised.
The numbers of people in hospital in Victoria is currently the lowest it's been this year and the numbers being ventilated the lowest since September last year.
So while the numbers of people dying will likely continue where they are for another week or so, we are well and truly past the worst of this wave. |
Globally, the Omicron wave is the 4th worst in terms of the peak of serious and critical cases and the 3rd deadliest wave in terms of peak deaths per day.
With new cases declining, active cases declining and serious or critical cases declining, you're pretty good to assume we're past the peak. |
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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| Stui, it's possible that we are past the worst of it - but we are a long way from being back at mere "Delta" death rates. Deaths look, in this wave, to be trailing new case numbers by about 2 weeks. So, eg, deaths hit a record high around the end of January 2022, although cases hit their recorded high around 14 January. Today's deaths (64 reported, so far) are off the back of more like 25,000 or 30,000 recorded cases at the relevant time. Probably, there may still be a few people from the earlier days of high new infections still dying, now. New recorded cases are still around the 25,000 mark - and they seem to have stabilised there over the last 10 days. If they don't drop further and dramatically, 30 to 50 deaths per day might be the "new normal". It all remains to be seen. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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P4S, I follow your logic but it doesn't necessarily apply that constant case numbers equate to a constant fatality count. It's quite conceivable that case numbers will remain constant but fatalities will fall as we're already seeing with hospitalisations.
This is because Covid fatalities are overwhelmingly coming from a discrete population segment as per the link I posted on the previous page.
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia
The vast majority of cases are recorded in the young, whereas the vast majority of deaths are occurring in the elderly and/or those with pre exiting chronic conditions.
If hospitalisations continue to fall as they have been, deaths should follow within 2 weeks irrespective of case numbers. At least, that's what I'm hoping.
See here also for data on case numbers and deaths by age demographic.
https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/case-numbers-and-statistics#
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Sounds like Masks and QR Codes are going by end of the Month in Victoria
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