A Grundy thread

[schuey07]

[Pies2016]

Not sure we’re going to be afforded the luxury of playing against a starting midfield of Sloane ( great warrior past his best ) Laird ( re modelled back pocket ) and Keays ( Brisbane reject ) every week. Finally, we came up against a mid field we could match, whether Grundy played or not.
Surely the real issue is more about Grundys contract than his ability.
The ability is unquestionable but I guess the cost of that ability is the real heart of the matter.
I’d suggest it will be a different conversation after the Dees game.

[Pies4shaw]

^ I doubt it. The great thing about a counterfactual is that it doesn't matter how entirely ludicrous it is, it can't be definitively disproved. You watch - Gawn could have 115 hitouts, kick 17 goals from 45 contested marks and lay 25 tackles next week and people would still say, "What makes you think Grundy could have done any better against him?"

For example, Collingwood won the ruck contests 63 to 4 and the hitouts to advantage 24 to 1 against Brisbane. Grrundy had 28 disposals, laid 6 tackles, had 5 clearances, took 6 marks and had a goal assist and there were still airheads on here pointing out that he wasn't up against much.

[Said by Zed]

[eddiesmith]

The problem is some blind fools want to always blame the midfield when Grundys 60 hitouts go straight to his feet or the opposition.

Only the dream team generation can defend a bloke getting a lot of stats that don’t actually help his team win games of football. The fact Brisbane could throw in 2 rookies against Collingwood’s million dollar hack and win their first game of the season shows how ridiculous it is we threw so much money at a ruckman.

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[AnthonyC]

[Cam]

If we had let Grundy go, things would be much worse. As we will see against Melbourne I'd suggest. However, I hope I'm wrong and I hope we beat those silvertail wankers.

[K]

[K]

[AnthonyC]

[eddiesmith]

He may be the best ruckman for getting the most taps which go to no one, but recent history suggests ruckmen don;t win you premierships. So having your highest paid player someone who won't win the team a premiership seems pretty stupid list management and has set the club back 7 years.

Let's not forget how often Collingwood loses to teams without their best ruckman, like the 2018 GF...

[Pies4shaw]

^^^ Last quarter of the 2018 Grand Final. Scores are level.

Grundy wins the opening bounce. There is a second ball up. From the second bounce, Grundy palms it straight down Mayne's throat. Mayne kicks forward, Mihocek crumbs and goals. The quarter has been going 25 seconds.

Next bounce. Grundy wins the ruck. Lycett tries to kick the ball. Adams smothers. The ball rebounds our way to Greenwood, who falls over. Sidebottom handballs to De Goey, who goals. The quarter has been going 38 seconds.

Next bounce. Grundy wins the ruck. A free is paid to Lycett for holding. The free kick is not against Grundy. Lycett kicks long. Vardy marks and kicks a long goal.

Next bounce. Grundy wins the ruck. He palms the ball down to De Goey. De Goey, who may have been watching too much of Treloar, decides to run directly towards centre half back, take on three West Coast players and then throw the ball as he goes to ground. West Coast gets a free. Cripps kicks a point.

In any event. Collingwood kicked the next goal (Cox, 4 minutes into the quarter, with a mark after a half-forward stoppage from which - yes, you guessed it, Grundy won the ruck and Collingwood cleared it to Maynard, who kicked long).

Next bounce. Lycett wins the hitout. Grundy roves it and handballs to Sier. Collingwood wins the clearance. Sier gives it to Treloar, He runs to CHB and handballs to Langdon, who handballs it out to Thomas. Thomas handballs it to Sier. Sier falls over, is stripped of the ball (by Le Cras!). Yeo kicks it wildly but forward off his left. Aish misjudges the ball and runs under it. It comes to Darling who evades Howe and Pendlebury and handballs to Ryan on the run. He kicks it to Kennedy, who marks on the lead ahead of Goldsack and goals from his set shot.

Next bounce. Grundy punches the ball down Sier's throat. He kicks long to CHF. Cox is caught behind his opponent, who takes a chest mark.

I can't be bothered watching the rest. I know how it ends. It will suffice to say that there is only one more goal in the game.

Collingwood won 5 of the first 6 centre bounce contests in the last quarter. The one they lost was for a holding free kick.

Anyone watching the game fairly to that point would say that Collingwood had 3 goals and the lead in large part because of Grundy's dominance at the centre bounces. Unfortunately, West Coast had two easy goals. Both were a consequence of our undermanned defence (Langdon and Howe outmarked in a pack by Vardy, with Darling) and Goldie being unable to go with Kennedy. That was to be expected, since we had a make-shift defence with three half-back flankers being forced to mind the talls. Each of them gave away massive height and weight advantages and, really, the surprising thing was that they only conceded 11 goals. In any event, the suggestion that Grundy did anything "momentum killing" in that critical part of the game is certifiable drivel.

That's the problem with video footage, of course - people can watch it for themselves. They don't have to rely on your jaundiced recollection.

So, your "most painful example" is, as usual, imaginary drivel. I really don't know why you bother posting in this thread, since you have nothing useful to say on the subject, at all.

[K]

[Pies4shaw]

Why don't you watch it and tell me?