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RudeBoy
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| Both Treloar and Phillips were contracted. They can still be traded. |
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piedys 
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Murphy: contracted
C Brown: contracted
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I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt, and have them attempt to produce something AFL standard in 2022.
They aren't stupid; they know they are in the gun next season.
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Big T
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| piedys wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: |
Murphy: contracted
C Brown: contracted
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I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt, and have them attempt to produce something AFL standard in 2022.
They aren't stupid; they know they are in the gun next season. |
Mate u r softening of late. Murphy is the worst footballer I have seen since Keane. Which is also a sad indictment on our recruiting.
Brown, one more year to show something... but he likely won't.
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piedys
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| Big T wrote: | | piedys wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: |
Murphy: contracted
C Brown: contracted
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I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt, and have them attempt to produce something AFL standard in 2022.
They aren't stupid; they know they are in the gun next season. |
Mate u r softening of late. Murphy is the worst footballer I have seen since Keane. Which is also a sad indictment on our recruiting.
Brown, one more year to show something... but he likely won't. |
Mate, with the state our list is in, can we afford to be wielding the axe willy-nilly lol?! If I were the club, I wouldn't be disposing of any more players "under contract" until they genuinely expire.
I don't think it's great advertising to entice players from other clubs to cross the floor, if that's the perception of how we treat our cattle.
Anyhoo, Brown needs time in the centre, and we have seen his best and worse in 2021. He's not slow, nor a squib. See what a new coach can bring out in him.
I'm thinking Murphy needs another pre-season under his belt. He looked so reliable in late 2018 in those games he was brought in for.
Yet injuries and limited VFL scheduling have robbed him of sufficient match time to improve his tank. And don't most players find something in the final year of their contract, when they are up for renewal lol?!
And Keane; let's just say i'm OVER international recruits. The novelty wore off some time ago. I'd rather source a rookie from VFL or elsewhere.
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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| Big T wrote: | | piedys wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: |
Murphy: contracted
C Brown: contracted
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I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt, and have them attempt to produce something AFL standard in 2022.
They aren't stupid; they know they are in the gun next season. |
Mate u r softening of late. Murphy is the worst footballer I have seen since Keane. Which is also a sad indictment on our recruiting.
Brown, one more year to show something... but he likely won't. |
Call me insane then, but all three footballers are ok in my book. You judge footballers on what they're capable of producing, not their worst. That was a failing of Nathan Buckley as a coach. He took a footballer in Chris Dawes who was good at marking near the goal square and bringing the ball to ground and tried to turn him into a part time ruckman. To be fair to Nathan he was no worse than Paul Roos who tried to do the same thing to Chris Dawes at Melbourne and destroyed him as a footballer. Keane is essentially an intercept defender off half back who adds physicality to his game as well as being a beautiful kick. Callum Brown is one of those footballers who has to play near the action and Murphy is a beautiful mark who anticipates the play. All three footballers should be part of the future of the club going forward. |
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Big T
Joined: 18 Oct 2003
Location: Torino, Italy
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| MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | | Big T wrote: | | piedys wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: |
Murphy: contracted
C Brown: contracted
Unfortunately |
I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt, and have them attempt to produce something AFL standard in 2022.
They aren't stupid; they know they are in the gun next season. |
Mate u r softening of late. Murphy is the worst footballer I have seen since Keane. Which is also a sad indictment on our recruiting.
Brown, one more year to show something... but he likely won't. |
Call me insane then, but all three footballers are ok in my book. You judge footballers on what they're capable of producing, not their worst. That was a failing of Nathan Buckley as a coach. He took a footballer in Chris Dawes who was good at marking near the goal square and bringing the ball to ground and tried to turn him into a part time ruckman. To be fair to Nathan he was no worse than Paul Roos who tried to do the same thing to Chris Dawes at Melbourne and destroyed him as a footballer. Keane is essentially an intercept defender off half back who adds physicality to his game as well as being a beautiful kick. Callum Brown is one of those footballers who has to play near the action and Murphy is a beautiful mark who anticipates the play. All three footballers should be part of the future of the club going forward. |
I hope u r right but fear u r wrong. Keane I just can't see it. Murphy I had high hopes for but he really hasn't shown anything this year. Brown is at the cross roads and I think the modern game has past him. Hope I'm wrong.
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SteveH67
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Both Treloar and Phillips were contracted. They can still be traded. |
As much as we all hated the way Treloar was treated with being traded out, it would appear his injuries were a major concern for the club.
Bulldogs wont get the best out of him, long enough I don't think.
When he tore both hamstrings, he was never going to come back the same player.
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MJ23
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Id be keeping Murphy - esp with the kids in this year. He might be able to settle into one position. He shown enough for his age to still have potential to cement a spot and Id be waiting to see what he can do under the next coach and structure.
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Boogie Knights
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| I think Murphy is being groomed to take on the role that Howe plays when he retires. Looks to have all the tools to succeed, just hasn't put it all together for a full game yet. Flashes indicate he can do it and is definitely worth persisting with given his age and what he has shown in those flashes. |
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warburton lad
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I would target Tom Lynch from Adelaide- 192cms and 87 kgs- a smart footballer- on a 2 year deal.
Would retain Callum Brown and play as a rover- would also play Tyler Brown in the centre- not quick enough for a wing- plays a similar style to Jarrod Lyons from Brisbane.
Murphy must play in the back half- would have Keane over Madgen any day of the week.
The problem the Pies have in terms of younger players is a universal concern in the league- the lack of a consistent second-tier competition for 2020 and 2021 has denied many young players the opportunity to hone their skills by playing matches against grown men.
A rhetorical question: How much better would Murphy. Bianco, Rantall, McMahon, Kelly, Tohill, Keane, Wilson, Chugg, Ginnivan etcetera be if they had the exposure required & essential for them to develop??
The same would apply to other players on the lists of other clubs.
We have retained Lynch which would make one wonder what our plans for Cameron and Cox are.
We know that Mayne and Greenwood won't be Pies in 2022- one wonders who may join them as ex-players...
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| warburton lad wrote: | I would target Tom Lynch from Adelaide- 192cms and 87 kgs- a smart footballer- on a 2 year deal.
Would retain Callum Brown and play as a rover- would also play Tyler Brown in the centre- not quick enough for a wing- plays a similar style to Jarrod Lyons from Brisbane.
Murphy must play in the back half- would have Keane over Madgen any day of the week.
The problem the Pies have in terms of younger players is a universal concern in the league- the lack of a consistent second-tier competition for 2020 and 2021 has denied many young players the opportunity to hone their skills by playing matches against grown men.
A rhetorical question: How much better would Murphy. Bianco, Rantall, McMahon, Kelly, Tohill, Keane, Wilson, Chugg, Ginnivan etcetera be if they had the exposure required & essential for them to develop??
The same would apply to other players on the lists of other clubs.
We have retained Lynch which would make one wonder what our plans for Cameron and Cox are.
We know that Mayne and Greenwood won't be Pies in 2022- one wonders who may join them as ex-players... |
All good points. Do you know how much money Tom Lynch is on? First thing that comes up is can we afford him? |
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| He's going to be de-listed, so it's more a question of whether he wants to play on, with us, for whatever sum we offer. |
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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The problem the Pies have in terms of younger players is a universal concern in the league- the lack of a consistent second-tier competition for 2020 and 2021 has denied many young players the opportunity to hone their skills by playing matches against grown men.
A rhetorical question: How much better would Murphy. Bianco, Rantall, McMahon, Kelly, Tohill, Keane, Wilson, Chugg, Ginnivan etcetera be if they had the exposure required & essential for them to develop??
The same would apply to other players on the lists of other clubs.
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W L I have been trying to sell this point all year in multiple posts.
The other point that needs to be added into this conversation is that the interstate draftees weren’t as impacted as the Vic draftees because a lot of their ( junior ) comps got footy into them in 2020. Four of our first five picks in last years draft were Victorian.
You can also add the advantage that comes with N S W academies being run by the Swans and Giants, as opposed to the Vic aligned junior clubs who are run independently by their own administration eg Dragons, Chargers.
No wonder all the early Giants and Swans early NGA selections look so good in their first two years.
Any Vic club who has invested heavily in the draft over the last two years, particularly in Vic kids, is really playing catch up for a year or two against all other the clubs who didn’t.
It’s worth noting the breakdown of our last two drafts and who were the local kids who we selected - Bianco, Rantall Henry MacRae McInnes McMahon Begg and Ginnivan. Non Victorians include Ruscoe Poulter McCreery Johnson and Chugg ( three of those have all shown something already and are all later picks ) Then add Kelly who hadn’t played footy for almost three years and there’s plenty of room for upside. We won’t make up that list development in a year but when we eventually do, I reckon our improvement will come with a real rush. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | He's going to be de-listed, so it's more a question of whether he wants to play on, with us, for whatever sum we offer. |
What about Levi Casboult then? Just been delisted by Carlton. He might want to play on and we need experienced forwards. |
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MJ23
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | warburton lad wrote: |
The problem the Pies have in terms of younger players is a universal concern in the league- the lack of a consistent second-tier competition for 2020 and 2021 has denied many young players the opportunity to hone their skills by playing matches against grown men.
A rhetorical question: How much better would Murphy. Bianco, Rantall, McMahon, Kelly, Tohill, Keane, Wilson, Chugg, Ginnivan etcetera be if they had the exposure required & essential for them to develop??
The same would apply to other players on the lists of other clubs.
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W L I have been trying to sell this point all year in multiple posts.
The other point that needs to be added into this conversation is that the interstate draftees weren’t as impacted as the Vic draftees because a lot of their ( junior ) comps got footy into them in 2020. Four of our first five picks in last years draft were Victorian.
You can also add the advantage that comes with N S W academies being run by the Swans and Giants, as opposed to the Vic aligned junior clubs who are run independently by their own administration eg Dragons, Chargers.
No wonder all the early Giants and Swans early NGA selections look so good in their first two years.
Any Vic club who has invested heavily in the draft over the last two years, particularly in Vic kids, is really playing catch up for a year or two against all other the clubs who didn’t.
It’s worth noting the breakdown of our last two drafts and who were the local kids who we selected - Bianco, Rantall Henry MacRae McInnes McMahon Begg and Ginnivan. Non Victorians include Ruscoe Poulter McCreery Johnson and Chugg ( three of those have all shown something already and are all later picks ) Then add Kelly who hadn’t played footy for almost three years and there’s plenty of room for upside. We won’t make up that list development in a year but when we eventually do, I reckon our improvement will come with a real rush. |
The NSW Academies get a lot of development through training, not so much games. This year was the first year the giants and swans squads played a few games against some tac cup sides.
There is a big gap in development. My son is in an academy and Id rather he was in a TAC cup side - but we live here.
As much as the NSW academies are spoken about, they still only produce 1-3 kids for the draft a year. This I think is a flaw in the current system.
There are far more kids drafted from Vic under their system.
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