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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 2:14 pm
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Pretty thorough wrap up of the various protests at Unis in the USA, no mention of rubber bullets, just Police arresting people who were trespassing, assembling illegally or being violent and/or committing vandalism

https://edition.cnn.com/business/live-news/university-protests-pro-palestinian-israel-05-04-24/index.html

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:11 pm
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^Footage of US cops firing at UCLA students


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVw3gcy1oLY


https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/05/02/police-shoot-rubber-bullets-ucla-encampment-pro-palestinian-protest-digvid.cnn

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/25/fwco-a25.html#1304759160

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:14 pm
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CGTN in Washington, D.C., is the American arm of the English language China Global Television Network.

Enough said.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:16 pm
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What'sinaname wrote:
CGTN in Washington, D.C., is the American arm of the English language China Global Television Network.

Enough said.

^Didn't you see the CNN link?

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:19 pm
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Yep, it shows enforcement officers firing. It doesn't show what they were firing at.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:21 pm
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What'sinaname wrote:
Yep, it shows enforcement officers firing. It doesn't show what they were firing at.

Yeah, they were firing at pigeons.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:21 pm
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There's a saying..

Believe none of what you read, and half of what you see.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:23 pm
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What'sinaname wrote:
There's a saying..

Believe none of what you read, and half of what you see.


Well, you certainly don't follow that advice, because you clearly believe all the right wing conspiracy theories you read, and nothing of what you see.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 3:39 pm
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^Footage of US cops firing at UCLA students


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVw3gcy1oLY


https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/05/02/police-shoot-rubber-bullets-ucla-encampment-pro-palestinian-protest-digvid.cnn

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/25/fwco-a25.html#1304759160


Interesting videos. They were definitely firing something at protesters, whatever they were it was very low velocity rounds. Those looked like modified pump action shotguns but I've never heard a sound like that from a shottie. Looked like bean bag rounds, the shotties are marked with orange.

Also interesting how the protestors built a blockaded encampment, so it wasn't just a standard peaceful protest. They were given plenty of time to get out till the governer of the Uni and the Mayor decided enough was enough, get them out of there.

Peaceful protest is one thing, when you decide to push the boundaries, you have to expect push back.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:00 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
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Also interesting how the protestors built a blockaded encampment, so it wasn't just a standard peaceful protest. They were given plenty of time to get out till the governer of the Uni and the Mayor decided enough was enough, get them out of there.

Peaceful protest is one thing, when you decide to push the boundaries, you have to expect push back.

How is setting up a barricade an act of aggression? It was an act of defence against the police who had attempted previously to physically remove them.

Let's get this clear: you are saying it is OK for the police to fire rubber bullets at non-violent protestors opposing the genocide in Gaza because they built barricades to defend themselves against the cops' physical brutality?

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:15 pm
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A peaceful protest isn't building and occupying a fortified camp on someone elses property.

They were asked to leave, they didn't. They were warned the Police were being sent in and they could be hurt, they stayed.

The Police were sent in with orders to remove them, using non lethal force. If that includes using bean bag rounds where it's considered appropriate, then so be it. The cops who did the shooting and the snr cops who authorised the guns to be used will pay any consequences for their actions.

Lets be clear, if you set up camp in my front yard as a protest and refused requests to leave, I wouldn't be using bean bag rounds.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:23 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
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Also interesting how the protestors built a blockaded encampment, so it wasn't just a standard peaceful protest. They were given plenty of time to get out till the governer of the Uni and the Mayor decided enough was enough, get them out of there.

Peaceful protest is one thing, when you decide to push the boundaries, you have to expect push back.

How is setting up a barricade an act of aggression? It was an act of defence against the police who had attempted previously to physically remove them.

Let's get this clear: you are saying it is OK for the police to fire rubber bullets at non-violent protestors opposing the genocide in Gaza because they built barricades to defend themselves against the cops' physical brutality?


They are disputing classes, shouting anti-Semitic slogans, abusing Jewish students and had been asked to stop barricading private property.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:38 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
A peaceful protest isn't building and occupying a fortified camp on someone elses property.

They were asked to leave, they didn't. They were warned the Police were being sent in and they could be hurt, they stayed.

The Police were sent in with orders to remove them, using non lethal force. If that includes using bean bag rounds where it's considered appropriate, then so be it. The cops who did the shooting and the snr cops who authorised the guns to be used will pay any consequences for their actions.

Lets be clear, if you set up camp in my front yard as a protest and refused requests to leave, I wouldn't be using bean bag rounds.


Well, you gave a pretty clear answer. In your view, there is no right to protest. If the police tell you to leave, then you must do so - otherwise get your just deserts (rubber bullets).

Comparing your front garden with students' encampment on a university campus is absurd.


Attempting to justify your extremely pro law and order views by claiming that "senior police will pay consequences" is likewise ridiculous. No police officers will be held accountable because they were acting on the orders of state and federal Democrats.

Your indifference to the genocide in Gaza however is not (fortunately) a majority viewpoint.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:42 pm
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They are disputing classes, shouting anti-Semitic slogans, abusing Jewish students and had been asked to stop barricading private property.


I have placed in bold the pro-genocide propaganda.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2024 5:09 pm
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So, how's Hamas going deciding on whether to release hostages to save Palestinian lives? I hear Yahya Sinwar is using hostages as a human shield and wants to protect his arse rather than save his "people".
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