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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 1:25 pm
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<Split from "Things that make you go.......WTF? Part II" thread.>

When Hamas bombs Israel you just know it isn't going to end well for one of them.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-map-shows-chaos-as-fullscale-war-looms/news-story/ecb7b071133c813e738ad02f1523473f
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 2:34 pm
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It actually works out very well for Hamas, as it does for Likud. Continuing violent escalations like this (which seems to have started with Israeli police brutality and gone from there) ensure that the extremists stay in power and moderates don't get a look in.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 2:55 pm
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Wasn't the Hamas charter stated to be the destruction of Israel?
What's the difference between an extreme terrorist organisation and a moderate terrorist organisation?
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:07 pm
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There may well be such factions within Hamas, but here I'm less interested in suggesting internal divisions than contrasting them as a whole with, say, Fatah, who have been shut out of Gaza Strip politics since 2006 " not coincidentally, around the time of one of the most recent Israeli blockades and subsequent massacres.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:32 pm
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A charter isn't a faction. It is a statement of what an organisation stands for. I assume that is why many countries have declared it to be a terrorist organisation. I am not really interested in them or their politics though, as long as they aren't lobbing bombs at us.

I only posted about this as their operating procedure - to lob their bombs from civilian areas rather than open areas - is going to lead to a lot of civilian deaths. That's what they want but it's their own civilians they are bringing it upon. Must be worth it, it's all for the cause.

Did the PLO do that when Yes Sir Crack A Fat was in charge?
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:46 pm
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Hamas Charter.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:17 pm
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That reads as if it was drafted by pietillidie.

Assuming that's a faithful translation, there's not much moderation in the stated violence.

Apparently in my part of the world we are smitten with vileness, although that could also just be a generic thing for Collingwood supporters.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:30 pm
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5 from the wing on debut wrote:
A charter isn't a faction.


You're misunderstanding my post again " I'm referring to the notion of extremists vs moderates within the Hamas organisation (which I think goes without saying exists to some extent; you'll always get a degree of militancy in any such organisation). Otherwise, yes, I'm aware that the party's charter calls for Israel's destruction, and I would say that the current Israeli leadership, for one, finds it very useful to have them around.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:50 pm
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Yes, especially near election time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:52 pm
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The Israeli Defense Forces Twitter feed is very informative, as are the comments. Absolutely polarised.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 9:18 am
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https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/worse-than-raw-sewage-vile-weapon-used-by-israeli-forces/news-story/6baa249cbaee2e6c776e0830cd406ac7

1200 rockets in a day launched by Hamas. The Israelis respond with non lethal skunk water.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 10:24 am
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65 Palestinians (including 16 children) killed, 6 Israelis. Same old story.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 10:26 am
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That's in Jerusalem. Better stinky than dead.

I read a while ago about part of Israel's response to the PLO murdering their athletes at the Olympics in 1972. In 1973, Ehud Barak, who was then in the Israeli army but went on to become PM, was one of a couple of commandos that went into Beirut dressed as a woman, then located and killed 3 PLO leaders that were involved in the murders.

Israel isn't a country that you take on lightly. Their leaders are nothing like ours. They don't worry about rhetoric or feelings on these issues. They do what they believe has to be done. I wouldn't want to be a Hamas leader.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 6:13 pm
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David wrote:
65 Palestinians (including 16 children) killed, 6 Israelis. Same old story.


Not from lack of trying, if the Israelis weren't able to bring down so many of the missiles their death toll would be so much higher.

Hamas deliberately put women and children in the firing line, it's good for sympathy.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 6:20 pm
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You can denounce the image below as one-sided, but it certainly seems a good deal closer to a fair representation of reality than much of the mainstream reporting, which tends to characterise the Israeli strikes as mere retaliation. A bit of context certainly wouldn't go astray.
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