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themonk
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| Swanny2011 wrote: | To my mind there are four people that are accountable/responsible for the mismanagement of the playing list.
Geoff Walsh (Gone), Ned Guy (Going), Derek Hine and Nathan Buckley.
I hope the last two also leave as well. Not that I am vindictive.
It is the simple fact that they all continually made the wrong decision over and over again with recruitment and wages.
I feel sorry for the next poor bugger that has to come and manage the mess. |
Eddie hired them all |
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Haff 
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That’s 2/4 gone (Eddie, Guy, Bucks and Dekker). I don’t see the last two surviving.
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Robbie
Joined: 18 Oct 2010
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Once a Player Manager, always a player manager. I believe he should take over the payment to Footscray because of his culpability in over payment to players. Unfortunately his arithmetic abilities seemed to be limited to one side of the ledger.
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| Swanny2011 wrote: | To my mind there are four people that are accountable/responsible for the mismanagement of the playing list.
Geoff Walsh (Gone), Ned Guy (Going), Derek Hine and Nathan Buckley.
I hope the last two also leave as well. Not that I am vindictive.
It is the simple fact that they all continually made the wrong decision over and over again with recruitment and wages.
I feel sorry for the next poor bugger that has to come and manage the mess. |
Agree Swanny. Derek Hine and Buckley are co-responsible as well, and we need to remove them as well.
But don't forget Sando and Harves. While not responsible for the salary cap catastrophe and list strategy in general, they are responsible along with Bux for the stagnation in game style and tactics our club has endured over the last decade, bar one year only
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | And so it begins......more to follow me thinks. |
A Change is as good as a holiday. Sounds good too me, new fresh blood, new ideas, new direction, all good for the Club, yes. 
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Magpietothemax
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Great to see Ned Guy gone...several others need to follow, but at least now we have evidence that the club administration understands the necessity for major changes. We can only hope that they have by now grasped that these changes must extend into the entire coaching regime as well.
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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G. Wright:
"We’re disappointed to be losing Ned.
"His experience as a player manager and list manager, along with his finance background, have been invaluable.
"Recalibrating our player payments structure was a tough and necessary job. Our future payments profile is healthier in large part to him. In years to come his achievements will become clearer.
"I'm pleased he can stay with us until after the draft – he will always be welcome at Collingwood – and as disappointed as we are to be losing him, I wish him well on his new direction."
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Magpietothemax
magpietothemax
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| K wrote: | G. Wright:
"We’re disappointed to be losing Ned.
"His experience as a player manager and list manager, along with his finance background, have been invaluable.
"Recalibrating our player payments structure was a tough and necessary job. Our future payments profile is healthier in large part to him. In years to come his achievements will become clearer.
"I'm pleased he can stay with us until after the draft – he will always be welcome at Collingwood – and as disappointed as we are to be losing him, I wish him well on his new direction."
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Corporate speak. What else would one expect them to say?
Perhaps: " We are so disappointed that we hired this incompetent, who gave his endorsement to the catastrophic deal with Beams, despite knowing all the issues Beams was carrying? And then lied (on our behalf) to cover up the salary cap debacle that has shattered the club"
Of course Wright gave the sugar candied, lying fairy floss that we are now expected to accept.
But i must say, to a large extent, Ned Guy was the Fall Guy. He arrived in 2017, but much of the Salary Cap disaster had already been prepared prior to his arrival.
Let us hope that the fall of Ned Guy is but the beginning. No more Fall Guys. All those responsible need to be held to account.
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K
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| I'd like to know what Ned's salary was/is. |
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Johnno75
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
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Everybody else reporting he was sacked, except Collingwood.
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K
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| Johnno75 wrote: | | Everybody else reporting he was sacked, except Collingwood. |
That's not what Gleeson says:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/list-manager-ned-guy-quits-collingwood-after-tumultuous-off-season-20210506-p57pij.html
"Ned Guy ... offered his resignation in the immediate aftermath of the club’s tumultuous 2020 trade period and draft.
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They agreed then he would stay on to help the club but six months later he had not changed his mind and told the club he wanted to leave.
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Highly regarded and well-liked internally, especially by those with an understanding of the dire mess Collingwood was in with its salary cap, externally Guy has worn blame for the ugly post season.
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The decision to leave was Guy’s and he was not pressured to go as a consequence of the tumultuous trade period. On the contrary, former football manager Geoff Walsh tried to talk him out of leaving." |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| ^ Gleeson also claims in his article that the disastrous Beams and Grundy deals came amid "significant/strong pressure from the board". |
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woodys_world69
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Brisbane
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i wonder if collingwood is going to make him sign an NDA?
so he doesnt talk to the media to say exactly what was the catalyst for the darkest years of collingwood in 20 years |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| woodys_world69 wrote: | i wonder if collingwood is going to make him sign an NDA?
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An NDA after the fact? Too late!
They can only try to bribe him.  |
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The General 
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Melbourne
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| And as a legacy to Ned, we'll be paying half of his wage at his new club. |
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