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swoop42 
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The baseline performance of Cox in 3 of the first 4 rounds were arguably the most consistent of his career IMO, I was certainly more comfortable with his continual selection and it's hilarious to me that was the exact moment he found himself out of the side for an extended period.
While I can understand Cameron was knocking at the door with his VFL performances and he's done enough to hold his position, if Cox has overcome his throat injury then surely he was a better option than Lynch to replace Grundy.
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| swoop42 wrote: | The baseline performance of Cox in 3 of the first 4 rounds were arguably the most consistent of his career IMO, I was certainly more comfortable with his continual selection and it's hilarious to me that was the exact moment he found himself out of the side for an extended period.
While I can understand Cameron was knocking at the door with his VFL performances and he's done enough to hold his position, if Cox has overcome his throat injury then surely he was a better option than Lynch to replace Grundy. |
I'd have thought so too, is it any surprise those were the only games where we looked a chance to score throughout the game? |
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stui magpie 
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It makes you think Cox's papers have been stamped and Lynch is on trial for his career.
Cox is a better first ruck than either Cameron or Lynch and better forward than Lynch. I'd put him and Cameron about level for 2nd ruck/forward.
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1eyedpie
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| stui magpie wrote: | It makes you think Cox's papers have been stamped and Lynch is on trial for his career.
Cox is a better first ruck than either Cameron or Lynch and better forward than Lynch. I'd put him and Cameron about level for 2nd ruck/forward. |
Cox may have a trigger clause in his contract (say amount of senior games played) which the club may wish NOT to trigger!
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mgh3536
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Love to try Cox Grundy Adam’s daicos at centre bounces
Playing Grundy as bull midfielder, Cox going fwd after tap |
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Pies4shaw 
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| Because Cox, Grundy and Adams have that much-needed leg speed? |
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Pies4shaw
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https://twitter.com/AFLPlayerRating/status/1046135713496936448/photo/1
This is the AFL's official player ratings based on Champion Data, as I understand it, for the 2018 Grand Final.
What it shows is that Shuey had a career day of ridiculous proportions, and that, for Collingwood, the following players performed comfortably above their two-year averages:
Adams
Grundy
Langdon
Varcoe
De Goey
Cox
Mayne
Stephenson
Goldsack.
Next, it shows that Howe, Aish and Mihocek (and probably Sier) played at about their 2-year average standard.
Finally, it shows that the following players performed well below their two-year averages:
Treloar
Pendlebury
Sidebottom
WHE
Crisp
Thomas
Phillips
Greenwood
Maynard.
One might want to say that it kind of "averages out", because we had 9 players who played better than their usual standard and 9 who played worse. Of course, the underlying comparison is between how a particular player usually played in the previous two years and how they did play on that day. It would be fair to say that the only 4 genuine stars who played better than average on the day were Adams, Grundy, Langdon and De Goey. This is interesting data, as a model, because it tells us what we seemed to see on the day, namely that many of our best players were hopelessly below standard in that game. Treloar, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Phillips, WHE, Crisp and Thomas were all players we had come to expect high output from that year.
It also ranks players from best to worst on the day. Collingwood had two of the top 3 but also the bottom 4. It also shows when players had their impact, quarter by quarter. Players who, on these ratings, went completely missing for us in the last quarter were Pendlebury, Stephenson, Sier, Aish, Thomas, Phillips, Greenwood and Maynard. |
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | https://twitter.com/AFLPlayerRating/status/1046135713496936448/photo/1
This is the AFL's official player ratings based on Champion Data, as I understand it, for the 2018 Grand Final.
What it shows is that Shuey had a career day of ridiculous proportions, and that, for Collingwood, the following players performed comfortably above their two-year averages:
Adams
Grundy
Langdon
Varcoe
De Goey
Cox
Mayne
Stephenson
Goldsack.
Next, it shows that Howe, Aish and Mihocek (and probably Sier) played at about their 2-year average standard.
Finally, it shows that the following players performed well below their two-year averages:
Treloar
Pendlebury
Sidebottom
WHE
Crisp
Thomas
Phillips
Greenwood
Maynard.
One might want to say that it kind of "averages out", because we had 9 players who played better than their usual standard and 9 who played worse. Of course, the underlying comparison is between how a particular player usually played in the previous two years and how they did play on that day. It would be fair to say that the only 4 genuine stars who played better than average on the day were Adams, Grundy, Langdon and De Goey. This is interesting data, as a model, because it tells us what we seemed to see on the day, namely that many of our best players were hopelessly below standard in that game. Treloar, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Phillips, WHE, Crisp and Thomas were all players we had come to expect high output from that year.
It also ranks players from best to worst on the day. Collingwood had two of the top 3 but also the bottom 4. It also shows when players had their impact, quarter by quarter. Players who, on these ratings, went completely missing for us in the last quarter were Pendlebury, Stephenson, Sier, Aish, Thomas, Phillips, Greenwood and Maynard. |
P4S, that is the most resoundingly incredible response to a post that i think i have seen in the history of the board. Well done! Its so good to occasionally see facts presented to level set hysterical perspectives.
The truth is that when Grundy was on small coin, he was loved by all here as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Since he got paid the money, nothing has changed for him as a player. he is just the same. Yet, our demands of him have gone up and the tall poppies are out in force. It is the Australian way.
Why on earth do any of us care that what he is getting paid. Certainly, i understand a healthy debate about the job the administration are doing, but i dont understand how people's view of Grundy the player have changed with the money. And its not even that much money. Its less than a million dollars a year (some people pay more in taxes!) and he only has a 10 year career to make his lifetime earnings.
For those who want to know the reason we lost the game, i can tell you.
Sier's tank, or lack thereof, cost us the grand final. During the mayhem of the last quarter, Sier was either on the bench or standing near the wing near the bench so that he was ready to come off as soon as he could. We were playing 17 on 18 in the last quarter when he was on and a rotation down (back when that stuff mattered). this put too much pressure on the defense and the dam wall broke. But boy, Howe, Langdon and the Sack were gallant in defeat!
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Bring back Lynch!
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | Darcy... had just 19 [hitouts] against Collingwood [from] 57 ruck contests, 6 of those went to advantage
Grundy attended 56 ruck contests for 27 hitouts, 10 of which went to advantage |
I think this is the part some people have trouble understanding... 32% of Darcy's hitouts were to advantage. 37% of Grundy's were to advantage.
So Grundy had both more hitouts, and more hitouts to advantage
What happens after that is up to the midfield
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Pies4shaw
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | Darcy... had just 19 [hitouts] against Collingwood [from] 57 ruck contests, 6 of those went to advantage
Grundy attended 56 ruck contests for 27 hitouts, 10 of which went to advantage |
I think this is the part some people have trouble understanding... 32% of Darcy's hitouts were to advantage. 37% of Grundy's were to advantage.
So Grundy had both more hitouts, and more hitouts to advantage
What happens after that is up to the midfield |
And our midfield is mostly dreadful. It has two high-quality players, both inherited from the premiership team, a couple of battlers and some players who might be good midfielders eventually. |
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Pies4shaw
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| Darcy now has 19 hitouts, 11 to advantage, and has just kicked a goal from a contested mark at CHF against the Carlton ruckman. |
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Pies4shaw
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Darcy won 40 hitouts, took 8 marks and kicked a goal. Fremantle won the hitouts 41 to 29, the clearances 45 to 26 and the inside 50s 52 to 40. Their ruckman starred - but they lost.
So, two weeks ago, he kicked a goal, took 3 contested marks and had 40 hitouts (and for that game, received 9 coaches votes and no other ruckman received a vote). This week, he kicked a goal, took 3 contested marks and had 40 hitouts. In between those two star-turns, he played against Grundy and kicked 0 goals, took 1 contested mark (and just 3 marks in total) and had only 19 hitouts. It's funny how everyone's form magically dips against Grundy.
That's a pattern that repeats itself week after week. Collingwood leads the hitouts against its opposition 556 to 299 this season. The only weeks Collingwood didn't win the hitouts were against Geelong (when Grundy was subbed out with injury) and against Adelaide (when Grundy didn't play). The real issue, of course, is that our midfield is poor. In 2018, Grundy won the hitout tallies for the season 26-0. Our mids won the clearances 17 to 8 (and drew 1). For comparison, our mids won the clearances 17 to 7 and drew 1 in 2011. It isn't like Grundy winning the hitouts costs the team - it's just that our team this year is very, very poor. |
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Big T
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The disposal stats confirm how bad our mids r this year p4s. Our top mid is crispy at 24th and we have only 4 in the top 100, mostly in the back half.
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Pies4shaw
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| We don't have a midfield because we wasted money on average or worse players like Treloar, Beams, Greenwood, Mayne, Cox and Phillips. |
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