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think positive
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geezus, thats $£$%^%%$ disgusting, poor child, and the price gouging??? WTF _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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watt price tully wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | It's clear that she has no idea about legal fees as she has a goal of only $10k. |
Dennis Denuto has quoted for the job.
If what she says is remotely true it shines a spotlight on the blatant Hypocrisy of Labor and it's supporters. |
Except Bill Shorten was cleared by the Police. Her case when they were teenagers was examined by the police.
So the police examined the issue, questioned others and said no case to answer.
With Porter the AFP didnāt question anyone related (the victim was of course and unfortunately dead)
If the case is for a civil action then that is another matter. |
It is for a civil action and no, Shorten was not "cleared" by the police.
That's not the way the system works.
The police have either ceased the investigation after making all inquiries as they have decided there is insufficient evidence to convict or the case is still pending. It really doesn't matter which of them has occurred as either way it seems to be over as it's unlikely after all of this time that there will be any new corroborating evidence. The police and the courts generally do not "clear" people of crimes as it is not something that they are called upon to do. |
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think positive wrote: |
geezus, thats $ļæ½$%^%%$ disgusting, poor child, and the price gouging??? WTF |
It's not real - it's supposed to be satire, or some sort of a piss take.
It starts off by stating that a 10 year old, who was supposedly starving and thin, was hiding a loaf of bread and packaged ham in his footy shorts. Didn't that give you a clue? |
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watt price tully
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5 from the wing on debut wrote: | think positive wrote: |
geezus, thats $ļæ½$%^%%$ disgusting, poor child, and the price gouging??? WTF |
It's not real - it's supposed to be satire, or some sort of a piss take.
It starts off by stating that a 10 year old, who was supposedly starving and thin, was hiding a loaf of bread and packaged ham in his footy shorts. Didn't that give you a clue? |
Iām pretty sure TP knew it was a satire, thatās why she wrote ā...and the price gouging WTF...ā _________________ āI even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didnāt keep āem under long enoughā Kinky Friedman |
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I am not so sure about that.
The story reminded me of the 1980's though when the Essendon players didn't like having "Don Smallgoods" advertising on their shorts. It gave their opponents some sledging material to work with. |
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David
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That was probably the peak of comedy in the 1980s, to be fair. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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eddiesmith
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5 from the wing on debut wrote: |
It is for a civil action and no, Shorten was not "cleared" by the police.
That's not the way the system works.
The police have either ceased the investigation after making all inquiries as they have decided there is insufficient evidence to convict or the case is still pending. It really doesn't matter which of them has occurred as either way it seems to be over as it's unlikely after all of this time that there will be any new corroborating evidence. The police and the courts generally do not "clear" people of crimes as it is not something that they are called upon to do. |
The same police force which has the political power to say hotel quarantine is beneath them decided not to pursue charges against the leader of the ALP with evidence and witnesses available.
Then they decided they would pursue George Pell with far less evidence and witnesses available to them.
Meanwhile this poor woman still wants justice whereas Porter's alleged victim had withdrawn her complaint. |
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David
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Whether the outcomes in each case were fair or not ā hint: nobody here is in any position to say either way ā it's simply absurd to suggest that one case was subject to political power or interests and the others weren't.Ā Pell was an extraordinarily powerful figure with the backing of no less than former prime ministers, high-ranking media figures and one of the country's largest institutions, the Catholic Church. If you think he was still unfairly treated despite all that, then all that indicates is that influential interest groups and powerful individuals don't, in fact, always get their way.
Anyhow, unless you have access to documents that nobody else has, you simply can't know whether Victoria Police mishandled Sherriff's case or dealt with her complaint fairly and professionally (within the limitations of the law), and the same goes for the NSW Police Force's handling of the Porter allegation. Whether or not questions over hotel quarantine are outside their remit āĀ I'll bow to informed views on that ā it surely goes without saying that historical allegations of rape or sexual abuse are valid things for them to pursue. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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eddiesmith
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But it comes down to what power some people have in different places.
In Victoria having the support of Abbott and Howard is not a good thing, but have the support of John Setka and you're probably untouchable!
It's like how the ALP became the supporters of same sex marriage and LNP the evil party holding it back, when the 2 previous ALP governments opposed it because they wanted the support of the Catholic Church.
It's just like how the narrative in the left dominated world of social media is that Porter is guilty and the police force didn't do enough to prosecute him but Shorten was completely cleared and it's a completely different scenario. |
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doriswilgus
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The big difference between the Shorten and Porter cases is that Shorten was subject to a ten month long investigation from the police,who subsequently decided there was not enough evidence to lay charges against him.Wheras in the Porter case,the police didnāt even bother to investigate because the poor woman who was allegedly raped had killed herself and was in no position to press charges.I donāt know why this is so hard for Liberal partisans to accept.Trying to conflate the two issues is clearly a partisan attempt on their part to muddy the waters,and to take the heat off Porter. |
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You are wrong on the facts of the Porter case.
The police did not investigate because after speaking to the police over many months, the woman did not make a statement to the police. Not only that, but before committing suicide she is reported to have advised the police that she would not be proceeding.
It wasn't that she was in no position to proceed, she could have, but chose not to. |
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think positive
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watt price tully wrote: | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | think positive wrote: |
geezus, thats $ļæ½$%^%%$ disgusting, poor child, and the price gouging??? WTF |
It's not real - it's supposed to be satire, or some sort of a piss take.
It starts off by stating that a 10 year old, who was supposedly starving and thin, was hiding a loaf of bread and packaged ham in his footy shorts. Didn't that give you a clue? |
Iām pretty sure TP knew it was a satire, thatās why she wrote ā...and the price gouging WTF...ā |
actually i read it again and it still doesnt strike me as satire!!!!id prefer it to be, so i hope it is!!!! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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As for heat being on Porter, it's done and dusted, except for his defamation case. He is the only one that will keep the issue alive, while the media move on to their next important issue for the day which will be forgotten about in another week. |
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David
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doriswilgus wrote: | The big difference between the Shorten and Porter cases is that Shorten was subject to a ten month long investigation from the police,who subsequently decided there was not enough evidence to lay charges against him.Wheras in the Porter case,the police didnāt even bother to investigate because the poor woman who was allegedly raped had killed herself and was in no position to press charges.I donāt know why this is so hard for Liberal partisans to accept.Trying to conflate the two issues is clearly a partisan attempt on their part to muddy the waters,and to take the heat off Porter. |
To be fair, some might equally point out that treating them as chalk and cheese also constitutes an ALP partisan move, in pursuit of the opposite goal.
For mine, the reality lies somewhere in-between āĀ there are, in fact, troubling double standards in how the respective cases were treated by the media and by the rank and file online (something Media Watch's Paul Barry, for instance, agrees on: https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/porter/13227550), but that doesn't mean that they are identical or that the difference you point out is not a significant one.
eddiesmith wrote: | In Victoria having the support of Abbott and Howard is not a good thing, but have the support of John Setka and you're probably untouchable! |
Setka? I'd say that he's a far less influential figure on the left than you're suggesting, particularly in recent times.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-11/bill-fractures-cfmmeu-union-john-setka-industrial-relations/12973630
think positive wrote: | actually i read it again and it still doesnt strike me as satire!!!!id prefer it to be, so i hope it is!!!! |
I'd say that's because the author seemingly thinks that mere exaggeration qualifies as humour. As with most Betoota Advocate articles, B+ for concept, Dā for execution. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace
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doriswilgus
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5 from the wing on debut wrote: | You are wrong on the facts of the Porter case.
The police did not investigate because after speaking to the police over many months, the woman did not make a statement to the police. Not only that, but before committing suicide she is reported to have advised the police that she would not be proceeding.
It wasn't that she was in no position to proceed, she could have, but chose not to. |
It was reported from those closest to the woman was that she didnāt proceed with the complaint because of mental health reasons,because it was too stressful for her to continue with the process.At no stage did she ever retract her accusation that she was raped by Porter.So no,I was not wrong about the Porter case. |
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