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watt price tully 
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And if you believe the report wasn’t completed by the partisan Gaetjens then I have a used car to sell you. Campbell is a liberal party supporter married to the failed candidate who lost in the most recent by election. The Morrison government interviewed heaps of their own insiders.
I have this Lada I know you’ll like. Drives beautifully. Only driven to the meeting of the central committee every Sunday comerade 😉 what colour would you like 😜
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watt price tully
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stui magpie 
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It is a very good article, read it this morning. Doesn't change that Albo knows exactly what happened to the report, as reported.  
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David 
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This sums it up well, from the link above:
| Jacqueline Maley wrote: | | Whatever you think of the merits of the bitter and thoroughly awful Higgins/Lehrmann matter, the villainising of a sexual assault complainant in the press, and the rubbishing of her privacy, is a terrible indictment on our society’s ability to administer justice. |
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^ she went to the media but now we're supposed to feel sorry about an invasion of her privacy.
Get real
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Harry and Megs say hello!
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David
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| What'sinaname wrote: | ^ she went to the media but now we're supposed to feel sorry about an invasion of her privacy.
Get real |
So if anything bad ever happens to you and you decide to talk about it publicly, your private communications become fair game? Interesting.
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Probably wouldn’t be dumb enough to text about it! Those texts sound mighty grubby
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watt price tully
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| think positive wrote: | | Probably wouldn’t be dumb enough to text about it! Those texts sound mighty grubby |
Not half as grubby as Higgins was treated and continues to be treated by the Liberal Party. The treatment at the time was appalling by Morrison, Reynolds and Michaela Cash.
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | ^ she went to the media but now we're supposed to feel sorry about an invasion of her privacy.
Get real |
So if anything bad ever happens to you and you decide to talk about it publicly, your private communications become fair game? Interesting. |
So where is the line? Assange and others distribute confidential info, in the public interest and get hailed as heros despite being charged. This one decides to do an interview for TV and try to weaponise a political party over an alleged incident that happened (12 months?) earlier and her texts get released.
I personally don't like either, but is one right and one wrong?
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David
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Yes, and it's to do with power and who has it. Assange revealed government and military secrets that were in the public interest. Any good journalist would have done the same, and all of that stuff should be available through FOI laws anyway. Most news that matters comes to our attention through leaks, because those in power (in politics and business alike) have plenty of concealment strategies in place to shield themselves from accountability. To get to the truth, you have to dig deep.
Trawling through ordinary people's (an alleged rape victim, no less) text messages, emails and garbage bin is not in the same category at all. News of the World pushed this kind of practice to its most unethical extremes and rightly got run out of town as a result. There's a bit of grey area in this specific case because politicians are involved, so I don't think we can state that there isn't any public interest here – but also keep in mind that it's not the politicians' messages that are being leaked. So yes, there's a significant difference between what Assange, Manning, Snowden, David McBride, Witness K etc. have done and cases like this one.
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watt price tully
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Bernard Keane the Political Editor of Crikey nails it again this time in relation to Brittany Higgins, the Liberal Party under Morrison especially and the right wing press owned by that American:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/06/14/brittany-higgins-political-games-punishment/
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David
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An excerpt from the above article that I think summarises it astutely:
| Bernard Keane wrote: | And all along, the desire to destroy Higgins, to publicly punish her as an example of what happens to those who threaten people in power, has driven a sordid media campaign fuelled by leaks. Last year I explored how the campaign against Higgins — the smears, the interference in the trial of the man she accuses of raping her, the extensive leaking of information by the Australian Federal Police — reflected a systemic response to the threat that she posed to those in power.
Since then, particularly with the leaking of her private communications, the campaign to destroy her has only escalated, and its perpetrators — an aggrieved political party and its apparatchiks, its media supporters, a deeply compromised and politicised federal police — have been joined by other media companies (coincidentally, in Seven and the Daily Mail, both owned by right-wing billionaires).
Buried within the most recent attacks, based on the leaking of texts to politicians and staff, is the insistence that there was something fundamentally illegitimate about Higgins and Sharaz attempting to generate political interest in her efforts to obtain justice and expose the toxic culture of Parliament House. Real rape victims, the suggestion appears to be, simply let the criminal justice system do its job, rather than trying to engage politicians, especially opposition politicians.
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If Higgins and Sharaz are guilty of anything, it’s only what there’s an entire industry devoted to in Canberra: seeking to influence politicians to achieve an outcome. In their case, it’s an outcome they should be proud of — the Commonwealth Parliament finally took steps to curb the toxic nature of employment of political staffers and provide more avenues of redress for those who are victims of assault, harassment and bullying.
It’s OK for large corporations, media companies and the super-rich to influence politicians, it seems, but a woman alleging sexual assault? An outrage. Higgins, it’s implied, deserves to have her texts leaked, for engaging in such an activity.
She was, in other words, asking for it.
And no one is demanding that we see the texts exchanged between lobbyists, corporate executives, tycoons and politicians and journalists — something that would be far more revelatory of how power really works in Australia than the leaking of Higgins’ texts. |
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she didn't deserve to have them leaked. no one does, its privileged information, but it's out there, and its shit. I always tell my kids don't put in writing anything you might regret one day!
speaking of privileged information, you don't get to pick and choose. Stuff Assange! If he had found good information, would he have sold it? no because there is no market for it!
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David
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This thread's not about Assange, which is perhaps for the best, because I have no idea what you're talking about. Who sold what now? And what does "good information" mean, if multiple front-page stories on major newspapers don't qualify?
On the question of Wikileaks vs Higgins' texts, I think the problem has been articulated well by Edward Snowden, among others: in a democratic, non-tyrannical society, citizens should have privacy but governments should be transparent. What we have instead is a situation in which citizens have no privacy but nobody knows what the governments they vote for and the powerful institutions under their control are up to.
Knowledge is power, and the goal for those of us who care about democracy and civil liberties is to shift that imbalance back the other way – not try to create some kind of one-size-fits-all solution. We don't just "get to" pick and choose; we have an obligation to.
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