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[Tannin]

"Primary vote" is irrelevant to almost everything. The final vote (after preference distribution) is the ONLY vote that counts.

As you say, however, just being the worker's party won't win government these days. This is Labor's problem: does it represent the people it was founded for and by? Or does it shaft them and go looking for votes from anyone and anywhere?

The party is divided on this question. I am firmly on the "Do one job, do it properly" train. A labour party must represent labour interests, first and always. That is what it is for and it should stick to it, never prostitute itself for extra votes.

If you don't stick to what you are there for, you might as well not be there at all.

For exactly the same reasons, the Greens should stick to biodiversity above all else and not faff about with trendy fad things. And the Liberals should stick to representing big corporations and shonky businessmen to the exclusion of all else. Oh wait ... they already do.

[stui magpie]

hah, i disagree.

No way can labor abandon it's origins but it doesn't need to nor shaft it's traditional base to diversify its approach.

Union membership in Australia has declined from 45% of workers to 14% since 1986. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-work-hours/trade-union-membership/latest-release

They need to broaden their appeal or risk disappearing up their own fundament in a few generations, replaced by the Greens

[eddiesmith]

So basically it’s ok for Labor to enact policies that suit its donors but it’s corruption for the LNP to do the same. Gotcha

Also love the line you don’t like it, vote for someone else. Yeah that’s a great one, maybe consider it yourself next time you want to complain endlessly about the Federal Government. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean the majority of Australians don’t either.

[Tannin]

[eddiesmith]

If I had the access to every record like the ABC has there would probably be plenty. That’s why I originally asked if the ABC were going to do the same forensic accounting of every dollar spent by Labor governments? I suspect not...

But if you agree its ok to spend a billion dollars to cancel a contract simply because it wasn’t awarded to a union approved builder is in the public’s best interests or to completely overhaul the states fire services to hand complete control to the union then good on you.

But of course spending public money to keep unions happy is ok, spending public money on the businesses that employ those workers, big no no!!!

Let’s not forget Marshall said there was back room promises that Dan would deliver these reforms and hand control to the union if they engaged in a media campaign of complete lies and provided hundreds of helpers to work for Dans election campaign as well as plenty of funds. But that’s all fine cos unions good, business bad...

[ronrat]

Did Dutton use Ros Kellys whiteboard, ?

[stui magpie]

[watt price tully]

[eddiesmith]

The Sports Minister was sacked and still people complain no one has ever been held accountable in the Morrison government and think Sports Rorts was the biggest scandal in Australian history.

Wasn't even the biggest issue in 2020, but you'd never know there was a pandemic if you only listen to the leftards.

[watt price tully]

You can’t be that thick, surely? She took the fall for the PM. The direction came from the PM’s office. Goodness me.

Scotty from Marketing is doing an excellent job in providing the reason we need a Federal Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) indeed Scotty should be praised for the effort he & his Government have put in to mount so many arguments the establishment of an ICAC. Credit where credit is due.

[eddiesmith]

That's the pot calling the kettle black! You remember your comments about how great Dan was for throwing his health minister under the bus? That was great leadership according to your warped view and yet a real investigation not run by the Victorian Government's own lawyers found what we all knew, Dan made the calls, not the Minister for Health...

I love the fact a Premier can cost hundreds of thousands their jobs, their livelihoods, see to the death of over 800 people and lockdown an entire state for 4 months all due to his incompetence and you praise him.

Yet you want a Prime Minister sacked for his government giving $100 million to deserving sports clubs because some undeserving club in an ALP district missed out on funding...

[roar]

[Pies4shaw]

^ The basic distinction between allegations of pork-barreling, on the one hand, and allegations of straight-out bribery, on the other hand, does seem to elude some of our brethren.

[doriswilgus]

[stui magpie]

Tell me you wrote that tongue in cheek. You just perfectly described WPT and co.