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watt price tully wrote: | The US can’t allow Iran to take over the whole region. |
No, of course not. That would upset their buddies, and biggest terrorist supporters/enablers, the Saudis. _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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watt price tully
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Get real. The picture is a lot bigger than that. Taking out a few non Syrians in Syria who are indeed Hezbollah and the location is a place of weapons transfer is a smart thing to do: limited in scope. If you want Iran to take over then do nothing. That of course might be nice for those not involved and give a few on the left a warm fuzzy feeling but the “real politic” is another matter entirely. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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David wrote: | doriswilgus wrote: | I don’t know why people here are objecting to it really.It was a limited targeted strike on one group apparently.As far as we know no civilians were killed.In the CNN article it said that they scratched a second strike for fear that civilians might have been caught up in it as well.
As I said before all presidents do this sort of thing in the Middle East,even the great peacemaker himself,Trump.In the article I posted it mentioned that Trump bombed the same very group on the 29th of December 2019 and there have been various attacks before that as well ,yet I don’t remember anyone here complaining about his bombing of these people.Funny about that. |
Doris, did you read the Guardian article I posted? I think it lays out some very good reasons for concern over what Biden is doing here, and simply saying "Trump / everyone else did it" doesn’t make it ok. One person died as a result of this strike – let us never trivialise such things – and the targets’ affiliation with another nation state makes it a risky manoeuvre geopolitically, particularly with a country that the US needs to be offering an olive branch to right now, not ratcheting up tensions with.
Biden is arguably the most powerful man in the world, and at any rate in charge of the biggest superpower. He needs a lot more critical scrutiny from politically engaged people than "well, nobody complained when Trump did it" (which isn’t even true – Trump’s authorisation of strikes like this received consistent criticism from the left, some Democrats and isolationists on the right alike). It’s not about tearing him down, but seeking accountability. | person? Civilian or terrorist? _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
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A combatant (see previous discussion about the word "terrorist" in this context)
watt price tully wrote: | Get real. The picture is a lot bigger than that. Taking out a few non Syrians in Syria who are indeed Hezbollah and the location is a place of weapons transfer is a smart thing to do: limited in scope. If you want Iran to take over then do nothing. That of course might be nice for those not involved and give a few on the left a warm fuzzy feeling but the “real politic” is another matter entirely. |
Nobody’s saying that Iran are the "good guys" here, but the sad reality is that there are no good guys – certainly not between the two powers competing to be regional hegemon, Iran and Saudi Arabia, both of which have proxy forces stationed throughout Middle Eastern countries (particularly in Syria) and are responsible for numerous human rights atrocities in those countries. My view ultimately is that it’s not really for the US to put their thumb on the scale in that regional conflict, and that’s even if they were themselves a disinterested force for good, which they’re obviously not. They’re not even helping anyone by being there. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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So not a civilian?a genuine target of the mission? No it’s no better, but that works both ways _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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watt price tully
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David wrote: | A combatant (see previous discussion about the word "terrorist" in this context)
watt price tully wrote: | Get real. The picture is a lot bigger than that. Taking out a few non Syrians in Syria who are indeed Hezbollah and the location is a place of weapons transfer is a smart thing to do: limited in scope. If you want Iran to take over then do nothing. That of course might be nice for those not involved and give a few on the left a warm fuzzy feeling but the “real politic” is another matter entirely. |
Nobody’s saying that Iran are the "good guys" here, but the sad reality is that there are no good guys – certainly not between the two powers competing to be regional hegemon, Iran and Saudi Arabia, both of which have proxy forces stationed throughout Middle Eastern countries (particularly in Syria) and are responsible for numerous human rights atrocities in those countries. My view ultimately is that it’s not really for the US to put their thumb on the scale in that regional conflict, and that’s even if they were themselves a disinterested force for good, which they’re obviously not. They’re not even helping anyone by being there. |
Well there is no Saudi proxy presence in Syria currently (of any significance) The US needs to protect it’s interests and blasting a few “ Party of God” mercenaries from Lebanon at a site known as a transport hub for the transfer of Iranian/Russian/North Korean arms is an inherently good idea. There weren’t any Syrians involved that I’ve read about. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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Jezza
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I think history already suggests pretty clearly that the Democrats will get washed in the midterms. Certainly there's no indication that the new administration has done anything to warrant a different result (many of Biden's campaign promises have been jettisoned thanks to stonewalling by conservative Democrats in the senate, and it seems his approval rating has already taken a plunge). If so, it may well be another two-year Democratic legislative majority wasted, much like what played out in Obama's first term before the Tea Party made him a lame duck. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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^^ It's primarily a local issue, David. Matt Taibbi has written a very good article on the debacle in Virginia, and how the Democrats are, once again, refusing to properly analyse why they are losing a large number of their voting base. _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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So now that the Republicans have won the Governorship in Virginia,everything is fine and dandy with the voting system and they have no problems with it.Yet when the Democrats win under the same electoral system,they scream voter fraud and want to violently overturn the election results.What a bunch of Malakas they are. |
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doriswilgus wrote: | So now that the Republicans have won the Governorship in Virginia,everything is fine and dandy with the voting system and they have no problems with it.Yet when the Democrats win under the same electoral system,they scream voter fraud and want to violently overturn the election results.What a bunch of Malakas they are. |
Didn’t the Democrats perpetuate Russiagate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency? _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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fair call _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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Jezza wrote: | doriswilgus wrote: | So now that the Republicans have won the Governorship in Virginia,everything is fine and dandy with the voting system and they have no problems with it.Yet when the Democrats win under the same electoral system,they scream voter fraud and want to violently overturn the election results.What a bunch of Malakas they are. |
Didn’t the Democrats perpetuate Russiagate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency? |
Trump was President? I must have missed that. What's he doing. now? |
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Jezza wrote: | doriswilgus wrote: | So now that the Republicans have won the Governorship in Virginia,everything is fine and dandy with the voting system and they have no problems with it.Yet when the Democrats win under the same electoral system,they scream voter fraud and want to violently overturn the election results.What a bunch of Malakas they are. |
Didn’t the Democrats perpetuate Russiagate for the entirety of Trump’s presidency? |
I don’t recall them trying to heavy state officials to overturn the election result.I don’t recall them fighting court battle after court baattle,and losing every single one of them,to have the election result overturned.I don’t recall a rabid Democratic mob attacking the capitol building and violently trying to overturn the result of the election at the behest of their deluded,demented leader.So in summary,no comparison at all, |
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I'm very pleased with few things: withdrawal from Afghanistan; the reinstatement of environmental protections and carbon commitments; the pushback against dangerous religious quackery (e.g., anti-vax, anti-science, anti-abortion lunacy); and the G20 agreement on a global minimum tax. I'm sure there are more advances I can't recall off the top of my head. But those first four things dwarf everything else mentioned, don't they, dementia or not? _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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