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David 
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Actually it wasn't always that way. Lincoln was Republican, albeit the party was rebadged for that election under the name National Union party. |
I think most people know by now that from their formation through to the early twentieth century, the Republicans were the more socially progressive of the two major parties, and still were in certain respects right up until the 1960s. It may be putting it bluntly, but it's also just true that since then they have been the party of choice for right-wing racists – and any attempt to deny that, or to point to Civil War-era party policies as evidence of the opposite (as many Republican-supporting culture warriors like to do), is just obfuscation.
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Culprit 
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| The Republican Party needs to be rebadged as the KKK. |
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stui magpie 
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Actually it wasn't always that way. Lincoln was Republican, albeit the party was rebadged for that election under the name National Union party. |
I think most people know by now that from their formation through to the early twentieth century, the Republicans were the more socially progressive of the two major parties, and still were in certain respects right up until the 1960s. It may be putting it bluntly, but it's also just true that since then they have been the party of choice for right-wing racists – and any attempt to deny that, or to point to Civil War-era party policies as evidence of the opposite (as many Republican-supporting culture warriors like to do), is just obfuscation. |
Not trying to deny it at all, just pointing out that they weren't always the party Culprit alluded to. I don't know what happened to them but yeah, they took a fork in the road sometime after WWII and headed Right and now they're the natural home of the right wing nut jobs.
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| ^^That was the case, they are not now and History means nothing. If you just look at the past 10 years they are Right Wing Religious Fruit Loops. Australia was going down that path with the Pentecostal Minister for Everything. The Liberal Party in Victoria is in the Religious cycle at the moment. |
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David
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I mean, sure, but that could just as easily be a "stay home and don't bother" slogan. Unfortunately, that's a perennially popular voting decision in the US, and having two weak candidates only provides further (anti-)motivation.
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | lazzadesilva wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | It'll make it all the more awkward for Biden when he loses to Trump in November |
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You right wingers are more delusional than Carlscum fans expecting them to be premiers this season 🤓 Poor old Trumpie hasn’t got a hope in hell! |
Apart from your wishful thinking, not sure why you think he's no chance. That seems different to pretty much every poll. |
I was just making a comment based on my logical reasoning that historically, these polls have the two parties very close just before the election. I still believe that there is some honour left in decent right wingers who are appalled at Trump’s recaltricent antics and will not lower themselves into voting for this embarrassing egotistical idiot again. However I could be totally wrong in thinking that this will happen but my gut feeling says that it will.
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eddiesmith 
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| lazzadesilva wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | lazzadesilva wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | It'll make it all the more awkward for Biden when he loses to Trump in November |
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You right wingers are more delusional than Carlscum fans expecting them to be premiers this season 🤓 Poor old Trumpie hasn’t got a hope in hell! |
Apart from your wishful thinking, not sure why you think he's no chance. That seems different to pretty much every poll. |
I was just making a comment based on my logical reasoning that historically, these polls have the two parties very close just before the election. I still believe that there is some honour left in decent right wingers who are appalled at Trump’s recaltricent antics and will not lower themselves into voting for this embarrassing egotistical idiot again. However I could be totally wrong in thinking that this will happen but my gut feeling says that it will. |
But given voting is not compulsory, the real question you’d have to ask, is there enough people motivated to actually vote for Biden to secure victory. |
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But given voting is not compulsory, the real question you’d have to ask, is there enough people motivated to actually vote for Biden to secure victory. |
And that is the reason why Trump may well win. Because it is not worth the effort to brave the freezing US late November fall to vote for a man who agrees with genocide, who will stop at nothing to maintain and escalate the war against Russia, who adopts the same policies as Trump in regard to immigrants, and who has intervened into industrial disputes in order to impose savage real wage cuts to workers.
Trump may well win by default.
When you are offered two choices: to die by nuclear holocaust, or to die under the repression of a fascist dictator, ultimately many may choose not to make a choice at all.
And that means, that the choice will be made for them.
Unless an alternative political perspective emerges.
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David
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13% of Democrat primary voters in Michigan – over 100,000 in total – voted "uncommitted" instead of for Joe Biden, in protest of his support of Israel:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/28/michigan-uncommitted-vote-biden-israel-support
I suspect this is a bigger problem for him than most previously acknowledged, particularly among Muslim voters whom he might have previously been able to count on in November.
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Latest odds
Trump $1.83
Sleepy Joe $2
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | lazzadesilva wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | lazzadesilva wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | It'll make it all the more awkward for Biden when he loses to Trump in November |
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You right wingers are more delusional than Carlscum fans expecting them to be premiers this season 🤓 Poor old Trumpie hasn’t got a hope in hell! |
Apart from your wishful thinking, not sure why you think he's no chance. That seems different to pretty much every poll. |
I was just making a comment based on my logical reasoning that historically, these polls have the two parties very close just before the election. I still believe that there is some honour left in decent right wingers who are appalled at Trump’s recaltricent antics and will not lower themselves into voting for this embarrassing egotistical idiot again. However I could be totally wrong in thinking that this will happen but my gut feeling says that it will. |
But given voting is not compulsory, the real question you’d have to ask, is there enough people motivated to actually vote for Biden to secure victory. |
Very pertinent comment ES. One cannot depend on those lazy centre left fools to make sure that the geriatric guy wins. Choosing between an absolute bloody moron and a simple bloke entering dementia territory must be a horrible choice for US voters. I’ll pick the likely winner based on Skid’s odds the day before the election as they are usually a very good indicator.
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David
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SCOTUS puts an end to States trying to disqualify Trump.
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