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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:39 am
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likely by more than the 200,000 votes Biden won by


Why do you feel the urge to lie? It is a lie, you are not so stupid that you can't discover the actual margin.



It's not a lie, the truth just doesn't suit your narrative.

What's the difference between winning California by 500 votes and 5 million votes? Nothing. You don't get a bonus point or extra electoral college votes.

The difference between Biden or Trump being POTUS was less than 200,000 voters in 6 key states. Flip those votes and the outcome is different regardless of the popular vote.

And that's why it's so critical that Biden does a good job if the Democrats want more than 1 term.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:58 am
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/25/republicans-will-try-to-create-an-ethics-trap-for-democrats-dont-fall-for-it

The thing that really decides whether the Republicans are electable in 2024 - whether or not the media starts holding the lying neo-Nazis to the same standards at other politicians:

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The Biden Administration has unveiled the strictest ethics pledge in history, building on President Obama’s lobbying bans by covering not just registered lobbying but also the so-called “shadow lobbying” that long served as an ethics loophole. It’s another big step forward. But it’s also a reminder that Democrats and Republicans are on two entirely different trajectories. If past is prologue, Biden will face more criticism if he fails to perfectly implement his high standards than Trump faced for having practically no standards at all. And rather than feel any political or moral obligation to follow Biden’s example, the next Republican administration will pick up right where the last president of their party left off.

In other words, Democrats and Republicans are playing by different set of rules. And not just when it comes to ethics pledges and lobbying bans. We now know that many of the principles we once imagined were pillars of our democratic society – a respect for truth; a belief in the importance of a free press; the rejection of nepotism; a commitment to honor the results of elections not just in victory but in defeat – are propped up almost entirely by the good faith of politicians. And as we learned over the last four years, in American politics, bad faith is hardly in short supply.

That’s why it’s not enough to usher in an administration that models good behavior. We must ensure that we create high standards that apply to everyone.

That starts with changing political incentives that currently punish leaders who try to act responsibly and reward those who don’t. Some members of the press will surely be tempted to return to their own version of normalcy – one where Obama’s tan suit is a scandal, Joe Biden’s Peloton is a political liability, and it’s generally assumed that Republicans will behave like arsonists while Democrats behave like adults. Yes, the press should hold the Biden Administration accountable. But it would do the American public a disservice to pretend the last four years didn’t happen, or to take it for granted that most Republican politicians will behave like arsonists and most Democratic politicians will try to behave like adults.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:27 am
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stui magpie wrote:
Tannin wrote:

stui magpie wrote:
likely by more than the 200,000 votes Biden won by


Why do you feel the urge to lie? It is a lie, you are not so stupid that you can't discover the actual margin.



It's not a lie, the truth just doesn't suit your narrative.

What's the difference between winning California by 500 votes and 5 million votes? Nothing. You don't get a bonus point or extra electoral college votes.

The difference between Biden or Trump being POTUS was less than 200,000 voters in 6 key states. Flip those votes and the outcome is different regardless of the popular vote.

And that's why it's so critical that Biden does a good job if the Democrats want more than 1 term.


I tend to side with you here, Stui (actually, if anything, you're overestimating how comfortable Biden's win was). Not because it's irrelevant that Biden won by 7 million votes in total – it very much is relevant for certain purposes! – but because at the end of the day this was the real difference between winning and losing: 0.24% and 11,779 votes in Georgia, 0.31% and 10,457 votes in Arizona, and 0.63% and 20,682 votes in Wisconsin. Those three states, or 42,918 votes, proved the difference.

(For what it's worth, Trump's win in 2016 was similarly close – the difference between him winning and losing was 0.23% in Michigan and 0.72% in Pennsylvania, or 54,996 votes. And Bush's "win" over Gore in 2000 was closer by orders of magnitude, a mere 537 votes in Florida. But these are the exceptions, and most US presidential elections are won far more comfortably – you have to go all the way back to Kennedy's victory over Nixon in 1960 for another election that dropped below 1% in the deciding states.)

Is it a dumb, undemocratic system for such a (relatively) one-sided vote to be decided by such narrow margins? Yes, absolutely. But that is the system, and those are the kinds of margins that Biden will have to defend next time around. A little over 0.5% difference across the board could see him swept out of office, even with another comfortable victory in the popular vote. And until the electoral college is done away with, as it should be, it remains accurate to say that Biden's win was a narrow one.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:33 pm
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^

Thanks for that fellow Trump supporter Razz Wink Laughing Laughing Laughing

And yeah, I overestimated cos I CBF going back to check the numbers. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:07 am
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But, but...they're all the same!

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John Kerry told world leaders at the virtual Global Adaptation summit on Monday: “We’re proud to be back. We come back with humility for the absence of the last four years, and we’ll do everything in our power to make up for it.”

He called on countries to “treat the crisis as the emergency that it is” by reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and warned that the costs of coping with the climate change were escalating, with the US spending more than $265bn (£194bn) in one year after three storms. “We’ve reached a point where it is an absolute fact that it’s cheaper to invest in preventing damage or minimising it at least than cleaning up.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/25/us-returns-to-global-climate-arena-with-call-to-act-on-emergency

No, they're not the same in all kinds of important ways, despite their flaws.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:37 am
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I'm still waiting for Biden to deliver one of his key promises:

The mobilization of Truinanashabadepresure


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV5HbLI_TdM

I have no idea what Truinanashabadepresure actually is but I have a few theories:


1: A type of acupuncture.
2: A mushroom souffle made in a thermomixer.
3: A weather phenomenon.
4: Secret weapon.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:57 am
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Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Very good.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:34 pm
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I slowed down the tape several times,listened very closely,and this is what he actually said.


IwontheelectionyouTrumpmotherfuckers

He was in a feisty mood that day,I believe.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:52 pm
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So he's psychic too Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:28 pm
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Did he say that before the election?Oh well,I guess he just assumed he was going to win,given that he knew all those corrupt Republican officials in places like Georgia and Arizona were going to help him steal the election.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:02 pm
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At least Biden delivered Badakathcare to Americans.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:40 am
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Biden is presently +17.3% approved v disapproved on average, in the polls. Even Rasmussen (which, by suggesting that Trump was anywhere near even with Biden before the 2020 election, showed exactly why fivethirtyeight.com rates it as a "C" grade poll) has Biden's approval rating 10% up on the raw numbers (although fivethirtyeight adjusts that up to +18% in its weighting, given Rasmussen's bias).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:36 am
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doriswilgus wrote:
I slowed down the tape several times,listened very closely,and this is what he actually said.


IwontheelectionyouTrumpmotherfuckers

He was in a feisty mood that day,I believe.


Laughing 😂

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:39 am
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Not sure where to post this but Dr Anthony Fauci wins a $1 Million US prize for standing up for science in the face of his abuse and vilification by the anti science Trump and his supporters.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/fauci-wins-us1-million-prize-for-defending-science-20210216-p572s3.html

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:46 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Biden is presently +17.3% approved v disapproved on average, in the polls. Even Rasmussen (which, by suggesting that Trump was anywhere near even with Biden before the 2020 election, showed exactly why fivethirtyeight.com rates it as a "C" grade poll) has Biden's approval rating 10% up on the raw numbers (although fivethirtyeight adjusts that up to +18% in its weighting, given Rasmussen's bias).


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