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Cruisinwithdids
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| Lazza wrote: | | The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | I like you and all Piesnchess but the injury excuse doesn't cut it anymore, for a season sure, two even, three maybe but not nine. |
I think you need to know the deference between a reason and an excuse.🙄 The injuries were a reason and I clearly say that not one other would have done any better than Collingwood under the exact circumstances. Not in a million years can you have success. Buckley haters must look at the facts instead of kicking bucks and blaming him for something well beyond his control. Make your comments with honesty guiding you instead of maliciously being silly. |
Yes there were injuries (as with other clubs with better coaches) but that is where we at Collingwood need to move on - we need to stop finding excuses. Buckley may be an ok coach, but should have been moved on years ago. It’s not about hatred. We need to eliminate the messiah mentality of myths and legends. Collingwood keep allowing their past to frame their future. I wore MCKenna’s number as a kid but I want to forget the past. It’s over. We need to build a sustainable model with roles that are defined and clear so we can be successful in a block of years. We don’t need past legends coaching our club we need the best coaching out club. We do not need a parochial president with mates on the board and in the coaches box. It’s old school crap those days are over. |
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Piesnchess
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^ To be fair, i think ol Jeff Kennett has surrounded himself with sycophants at the Hawks, and he aint going nowhere. !
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BEAMER09
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^ atleast they know how to win GF's...
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Piesnchess
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| BEAMER09 wrote: | | ^ atleast they know how to win GF's... |
True but it was a while ago now, their era is well and truly over, thankfully !
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BEAMER09
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | | ^ atleast they know how to win GF's... |
True but it was a while ago now, their era is well and truly over, thankfully ! |
Their era started in the 70's and it's still going...
Our era started in the 60's and it's still going...
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Jezza 
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Joined: 06 Sep 2010
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Buckley's coaching record
2012 = 4th (Preliminary Final)
2013 = 8th (Elimination Final)
2014 = 11th
2015 = 12th
2016 = 12th
2017 = 13th
2018 = 2nd (Grand Final)
2019 = 4th (Preliminary Final)
2020 = 6th (Semi Final)
9 seasons (1 grand final, 3 prelims, 5 finals, 4 missed)
It's a modest record.
Positives
- No bottom 4 finishes (worst season was 2016 with 9 wins)
- Made finals in the majority of his tenure (5/9).
Negatives
- No premiership.
- 4 consecutive years of no finals (2014-2017).
- Only had 1 year (2018) of being on an upward trajectory from the previous year.
Only three coaches have lasted 10 seasons without a flag, with one going on to win a flag in his 11th season at the club:
- Mick Malthouse (Won the flag in 2010 after 11 seasons)
- Neale Daniher (1998-2007 at Melbourne = no flags)
- Brad Scott (2010-2019 at North Melbourne = no flags)
Both Daniher and Scott left their clubs halfway through their final season. History suggests Buckley is running out of time.
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Magpietothemax
magpietothemax
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| Jezza wrote: | Buckley's coaching record
2012 = 4th (Preliminary Final)
2013 = 8th (Elimination Final)
2014 = 11th
2015 = 12th
2016 = 12th
2017 = 13th
2018 = 2nd (Grand Final)
2019 = 4th (Preliminary Final)
2020 = 6th (Semi Final)
9 seasons (1 grand final, 3 prelims, 5 finals, 4 missed)
It's a modest record.
Positives
- No bottom 4 finishes (worst season was 2016 with 9 wins)
- Made finals in the majority of his tenure (5/9).
Negatives
- No premiership.
- 4 consecutive years of no finals (2014-2017).
- Only had 1 year (2018) of being on an upward trajectory from the previous year.
Only three coaches have lasted 10 seasons without a flag, with one going on to win a flag in his 11th season at the club:
- Mick Malthouse (Won the flag in 2010 after 11 seasons)
- Neale Daniher (1998-2007 at Melbourne = no flags)
- Brad Scott (2010-2019 at North Melbourne = no flags)
Both Daniher and Scott left their clubs halfway through their final season. History suggests Buckley is running out of time. |
Thanks for this Jezza. As always, cool, calm and objective. We can see from your data that a maximum turning point occurred in 2018, and the trends now suggest that we will finish 11th in 2021.
By the way, the leap from 2017 to 2018 is a major discontinuity in the previous trend, and suggests that other factors were at play (Review in 2017 is a major factor: Bux told he had to change his personality if he wanted to keep coaching (but this was only sustainable while things were going well), and assistant coaches Longmeyer and Hocking were brought in to assist. All of these extraneous factors have now disappeared).
My prognosis: in 2021, we will finish no higher than 11th, and Bux will be gone along with Ed in 2022. Hopefully, we will have another review at this time, and decisions of a similar calibre to those taken at the end of 2017 regarding new coaching staff will be taken.
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thesoretoothsayer
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Not an attack on Bucks but:
We need to remember that the team he inherited won in 2010 and played in a GF in 2011.
So the fact that the team made finals in 2012, 2013 may have little to do with Bucks's ability as a coach.
If you're given a well-maintained, well-tuned Ferrari you don't deserve much credit for it going fast. |
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Piesnchess
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Bucks will be in charge of a very young team, next season. We have lost a shitload of experience, some list cloggers yes, but experienced players none the less. And thats leaving aside the Treloar, Stephenson sagas. Now, his future will depend on how this young team performs, and if its shows real promise. If it fails badly, loses games we should win, has some bad losses, and finishes in the cellar, his future would look pretty bleak then, a change would need to be made. BUT, if the side shows great promise, if the kids do well, knit together, and we win some games we are underdogs, and seem to be really coming along nicely, then i think the Board will give him a new contract, albeit only 2 yrs. It all depends on how this young side goes, next season, Bucks tenure does depend on that, and that alone. The future will tell the tale !
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mattdally
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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| He wont last beyond his current contract unless he wins the flag next year. |
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Piesnchess
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| mattdally wrote: | | He wont last beyond his current contract unless he wins the flag next year. |
THAT wont happen, our team is too young now, any one who thinks we can win it next year, is drinking the Kool aid, it cant and wont happen. Making the Finals would be about as good as it gets, and then try and build on that, we are in fact, in a rebuild, and a Premiership wont happen yet. 
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What'sinaname 
Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | mattdally wrote: | | He wont last beyond his current contract unless he wins the flag next year. |
THAT wont happen, our team is too young now, any one who thinks we can win it next year, is drinking the Kool aid, it cant and wont happen. Making the Finals would be about as good as it gets, and then try and build on that, we are in fact, in a rebuild, and a Premiership wont happen yet. |
Which suggests we should be getting a new coach now. Why put the youngsters through consecutive years of learning a new system. |
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Ronnie McKeowns boots
Ronnie Mckeowns boots
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| New Coach and President in 2022, no doubt about it, Bucks has had his run....barring a miracle of course, which is always possible, why else would we bother? |
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Magpietothemax
magpietothemax
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | mattdally wrote: | | He wont last beyond his current contract unless he wins the flag next year. |
THAT wont happen, our team is too young now, any one who thinks we can win it next year, is drinking the Kool aid, it cant and wont happen. Making the Finals would be about as good as it gets, and then try and build on that, we are in fact, in a rebuild, and a Premiership wont happen yet. |
Which suggests we should be getting a new coach now. Why put the youngsters through consecutive years of learning a new system. |
Good point. I agree, it would actually have been best to get rid of Bux now in terms of developing the team. I think our club leadership was concerned about honouring Bucks' contract (though no such loyalty or decency applied to Adam Treloar, nor to Jayden Stephenson.) But second best is that both he and Eddie will go next year, and we have the entire 2021 year to search for the best replacement.
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Cruisinwithdids
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| Not only is the club younger, but many of the players retained are borderline AFL players: Hoskin Elliot, Elliott, Thomas, Sier, Greenwood, Magden, the Browns, Cox, Mihocheck - all inconsistent and can’t be relied on. Yet most are walk up starts in the team. This is the real issue and when a new coach finally lands most of these guys will be gone |
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